| ??? 10/29/09 19:39 Read: times |
#170221 - Do what? Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Kai said:
Ah, now I understand. Many many months ago I told you [...] Not at all. That thread is old news (except for the relevance to your suggested link below). No, if you look around a bit, you will notice that the majority of people who ask for help will get help. But you will notice that the quality of the help will depend on the poster. Many threads will fail to supply good help for the simple reason that no one on this forum is able to guess exactly what problem the OP has. We can't read minds. Kai said:
I have brought up this thread myself as an example, since it is a very interesting thread while also not so representative. Why not representative? When was the previous time you saw a H/W lock? Scanning for the last 6 months, I think you will end up with: 1 locked as homework 1 locked as done 1 locked as spam 4 locked as duplicated thread 3 paused (one a test thread) So this single thread was prematurely ended before the user did get a lot of help. And done so by a moderator. One thread in 6 months doesn't look representative. Especially if the goal was to show a thread where the forum members haven't spend enough time helping. We can't help in a locked thread... But consider what did take place. See for example this post: http://www.8052.com/forum/read/169738 The post did not contain enough information for anyone to start supplying any suggestions besides to supply more information or to search for existing information and then return with a question that has an answer. If you did use the original subject line from that thread and try Google, you would get a lot of hits. Refining to just look on this site using the search string "moving message led display based on 8051 site:www.8052.com" you would find that this subject has been up a lot of times. And a lot of help is available. Having spent an hour or two with these links, the poster would have been able to describe the bounds for the project and a bit about the intentions. Knowing if the OP was interested in a rotating display where a single LED line is sweeped in a circle, or if the intention was to make an 8x8 display would have helped a lot. Knowing if the intention was to build a display, or just learn how they works would have helped. Knowing about available hardware or amount of money to buy components would have helped. Having you supply a single example that has already been up several times and shown to not be representative could possibly indicate that most people actually do get a lot of help - if the request has a resolution that is possible to work towards. Kai said:
I have learned by this, and maybe that's the reason why I favorize this way. Did you learn from looking at existing information, and progressing in complexity as you learned? Or did you learn by asking others to write up the information for a final solution even when your current knowledge level made it very hard to even understand the simpler building blocks of the total solution? If someone creates a thread and expects people to write up new information (that is already available hundreds and hundreds of times over if using Google), then that person better start by describing the current level, the goal etc. It really is a twoway street. Without enough info, we just can't help. We just can not, so you get a thread in deadlock until the OP starts to do his/her part. Jump into threads and help coaxing information from the OP and you may notice that the amount of information from the OP will directly affect the amount of useful information from other posters. Our questions are not useful on their own. They are only useful if the OP at least sits down and considers the questions. They will be even more useful if the OP then decides to respond to them. But writing a long description of how to solve problem A is a big waste of time of the OP in reality was busy trying to solve problem B. When we fail to help, it really isn't because members on this forum isn't helpful. It is way more probable situations where we just can't help. We do not know what to help with. And in some situations, the requested help would represent 4-8 hours of active work for a member on this forum - just to make sure that the one expecting the help gets the type of help he/she is requesting/expecting - a turn-key solution to a school assignment. |
