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10/29/09 07:20
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#170166 - Warding people away is no good policy either
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Per Westermark said:
Kai Klaas said:
Each new visitor is welcomed with a slap in the face. What a harsh attitude...

It a tough balance.

On one hand, the negative karma point or vote is a bit like a slap in the face.
On the other hand, a post saying "You forgot to Google - take a hike!" would be an even harder slap in the face.

I don't like when the negative votes are used too often, or like some kind of revenge. But alas, I don't think I have seen any real good end-user method for stopping other posters from exploding after too many repeated questions in a row and no way to release the pressure. A working solution is forums with enough moderators to almost instantly react and lock/erase/warn/inform or whatever is needed to keep down the daily friction.

For a high-volume forum, you may have enough volunteer moderators that are neutral enough and available enough to do a good job.
For a low-volume forum - especially a forum where a lot of regulars are having a full-time job or other reasons for not being constantly available to look for new posts - the available moderators would probably need email or RSS support to allow quick enough notification when there are new posts to read.

8052.com is a bit small to have several moderators more or less constantly online and supervising. And it most probably do not have RSS or mail support to keep moderators up-to-date will all new posts.

And for a forum with hard moderation to work reasonably well, the moderators should also have a method of sending private messages to anyone, just so that a warning can be issued in silence.

In the end, it will be very hard to get everything fluent, where a new visitor gets a reasonably nice answer helping them out (directly or by suggestion of good keywords to goole for) while the regulars at the same time can manage to keep their blood pressure in check and not be too irritated by the typical FAQ questions being constantly repeated.

Maybe a good computer science project would be to design an auto-analyzer for the initial post of new threads. If the post gets a good enough match with a knowledge database entry, then the poster will be shown the FAQ entry and has to answer yes/no to the question if the FAQ entry matches their problem. If the FAQ entry is matching the query, then no thread gets created. If the help engine works well enough, it would be possible to sell it to commercial help desks. A lot of commercial help desks have so stupid mail handling that every support mail they get are answered with a 'this seems to be a FAQ-related question...' and requires the requester to notice and respond to the answer mail before even getting their really important support issue to get registered.



The point is below . Why do some members here believe that its there duty to correct people ? .

Kai Klaas said:

Allthough some members here think, that lazy students are responsible for airplane crashes, swine flu and other disasters, I don't think that it is a crime to offer help to someone, who might not be worth it. I do not want to judge and think about whether someone is worth it or not. I'm not the police, I'm not the teacher of the student and this is place wasn't founded to save the mankind either. This is a forum to discuss 8051 related issues and other technical issues in the chat board, nothing else.

But instead of this, we behave like the police, the ministry of education and the internet patrol. We restrict ourselves to punish lazy students which violate petty and senseless forum rules instead of discussing technical issues.

I'm not at all interested in the lazy student! To the hell with him, if he isn't smart enough to see why hard work is worth to be done. Let him steel everything here, but I'm not willed to infect myself with his negativismn. I think positive about people, the world, my job, not because everything is good, but because I do not want to live the life of a disappointed and paranoid person. The lazy student will get a bloody nose and judge himself faster than he can think. I don't fear him at all either, because due to my hard work over years and decades I will always be better than him. So why should I worry about the foolness of an idiot?



Now see what reputation 8052.com has started to gain because of this bullyrag by hand full of people:

http://www.electro-tech-online.com/general-e...ammer.html

Here the OP mentions a link to 8052.com (member home page) programmer and is AFRAID to post here because of the attitude of few members ??. He/She knows some people will neither reply nor will they let other people respond.

today one person is gone tomorrow another then another and so on ..


-Ap

PS : If you subtract the technical input provided here by Kai and Michael from the overall about 80% or even more is lost? .






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Random numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
   How random?            01/01/70 00:00      
   extract?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Time for Google            01/01/70 00:00      
      Extract            01/01/70 00:00      
   you can't            01/01/70 00:00      
      a very good way to get random numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
      Interesting anecdote regarding timers:            01/01/70 00:00      
      Periodicity            01/01/70 00:00      
   Just curious...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Didn't search first!            01/01/70 00:00      
         New Information not searchable            01/01/70 00:00      
            Using life itself as part of its computational matrix...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sure it is            01/01/70 00:00      
         Show me any real new thread...            01/01/70 00:00      
            But...            01/01/70 00:00      
               It really means...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No "Come In!", but a "Go Home!"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Exclusive information...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Thanks...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        First and ONLY Time I reply to this            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Completely ridiculous might be a bit strong            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Lazyness...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              ...is already ignored            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But we restrict ourselves!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    No, you are restricting the definition of "help"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Your propaganda again...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          People ARE posting code snippets etc            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Come on, how many do so?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Do what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The limiting factor            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Mixing subjects            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Not a valid answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Are we poluting this thread?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Yes, but Roberto has gone already...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              true for good schools, but not for diploma mills            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Balance            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Warding people away is no good policy either            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Bully for seeing problems with negative votes???            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Its his will            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Its just a biginning!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Still extrapolating            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Relativity?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Extrapolating What            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Not a valid conclusion!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Still extrapolating            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Wrong link?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              link to link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 But nothing about fear of 8052.com?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    At least,...            01/01/70 00:00      
   This method might work...you can try it....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Unnecessary complication!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Watch out for distribution problems for small ranges            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes..But for added randomness, use the table            01/01/70 00:00      
            Incorrect - the table adds nothing!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Quality often important even for simple devices            01/01/70 00:00      
                  can be dangerous            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bus arbitration needs a lot            01/01/70 00:00      
            HUH????            01/01/70 00:00      
      he can't            01/01/70 00:00      
      Modulating the /INT0 input by a simple noise generator            01/01/70 00:00      
         Post-processing needed            01/01/70 00:00      
            What interrupt?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Both interrupt or gating possible            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Full agree with everything you wrote!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Addendum...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Google as a resource?            01/01/70 00:00      

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