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12/10/06 02:15
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#129242 - be careful now ... here be dragons
Responding to: ???'s previous message
As a search of this site on RESET and RC RESET will probably show, there's been a lot of trouble associated with this seemingly "little" feature.

What's at issue is the fact that the part is a fully synchronous device, i.e. nothing will function at all until the oscillator starts. Then, for a while the oscillator is not entirely stabile, so its behavior is somewhat unpredictable.

Intel discovered this early on, and specified a VERY large (10 uF) capacitor and a relatively large (8.2 K) resistor as the RC combination for its parts. This makes for a very slow (a week or ten days, at least) reset. Read the reset spec's and what it is most likely to tell you is that it wants the reset to be positive for at least two cycles once the oscillator is stabile. I don't know how you're supposed to reckon with that. However, some 805x's have to drive the reset pin as well as taking it as input. That complicates the business of selecting a reset IC if you even want to use one. Some reset IC's generate an output that's valid only if they're "kicked" (as in a watchdog) once in a while, and at least one of them suggests using the ALE line to do that. Unfortunately, until the oscillator is stabile, you can't rely on ALE to be stabile either, so it's likely to generate a few extra pulses during the power-on reset, not that it necessarily matters.

8032 has no internal memory, so the flash-corruption issue doesn't plague them. However, since the later 805x's had the pulldown resistor built into the MCU, they required only the cap to Vcc. These didn't produce a RESET output, though, and, in fact, I'm not aware of any MCU's that don't have internal watchdogs that have this feature.

You'd best read the spec's on your MCU carefully in order to make certain that whatever reset IC, should you choose to use one, and I'm told it's advisable with flash-based MCU's, to ensure that it doesn't clash with the MCU on reset. Two devices driving the same signal seldom is pretty unless they're intended to work in that mode.

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List of 51 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
My two cents and then sum            01/01/70 00:00      
   RC reset - asking for trouble!            01/01/70 00:00      
   be careful now ... here be dragons            01/01/70 00:00      
   May we...            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why you should use a proper reset chip            01/01/70 00:00      
      what about bidirectional reset?            01/01/70 00:00      
         I use only external watchdog / brown-out detection            01/01/70 00:00      
            I doubt this.....            01/01/70 00:00      
               If it really, really has to work..            01/01/70 00:00      
            there isn't much you can do about internal reset            01/01/70 00:00      
               which chip is that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  DS89C4x0, among, I suspect, others            01/01/70 00:00      
               Micro isn't allowed to emit reset signal            01/01/70 00:00      
         easy as apple pie            01/01/70 00:00      
            Only because it worked for you does not mean...            01/01/70 00:00      
               that does not matter            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Of course, it does            01/01/70 00:00      
   all posts in this thread are incomplete            01/01/70 00:00      
      Then, please read again what I wrote            01/01/70 00:00      
         OK, you had that too            01/01/70 00:00      
         Thanks to all who give comments            01/01/70 00:00      
            What kind of supply regulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Battery            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Hhm, I'm confused now...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Right            01/01/70 00:00      
                        if you specified            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I guess a LM78L05 was originally built-in            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Then, the DS275 won't work either            01/01/70 00:00      
            MAX6383            01/01/70 00:00      
   Maybe here            01/01/70 00:00      
      I did look their first            01/01/70 00:00      
         that is not what you asked            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sorry Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
               read the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What photo?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Always...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I would like change ds275            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You can, but..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Ok, try this:            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    to Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Only to avoid damage caused by inrush currents            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Ah, thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          When you say "damage"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Sorry Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Would it be just too much of an effort for you            01/01/70 00:00      
                              You are right Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I do, ONCE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Erik I said was sorry two times            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       i am not asking for 'sorry'            01/01/70 00:00      

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