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10/27/11 09:55
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#184388 - A message from the OP.
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
Keep in mind that this matter arose out of an honest desire on the part of the O/P to evaluate a compiler's suitability for a specific task.

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As the Original Poster, I asked whether there was a way to avoid the GAP in the memory space. Or whether it was an intentional feature of the Evaluation Compiler.

I was answered fairly promptly, and the explanation was very reasonable. i.e. to make the Demo unusable for most projects.

I think that the Keil Demo shows exactly how good the IDE and Tools are.
I am inclined to agree with Erik and Andy. If I was genuinely prepared to pay thousands of dollars for a full licence, a Vendor would let me trial a full version.

As a hobbyist, I can see absolutely no justification for buying a full licence for what is after all an obsolete chip family.

It would also be dishonest to publish any method of circumventing the limitations.

A Debugger / Simulator is an essential part of a toolchain. Most 8051 designs do not support JTAG or any other hardware debug interface. So it is probably only Compiling and Simulating that is on offer.

There are more modern chip families which contain better peripherals etc. The chip manufacturers make them attractive to evaluate with a full set of hardware and tools. You still have to buy full licences but the chip future and wider audience make this cheaper.

I disagree with Richard. I cannot imagine that you supply each Client with a full Tool licence. Still less, that you expect a Client to go out and purchase Tools by themselves.

If you just want a Compiler, SDCC works quite well.

David.

List of 53 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Linking C programs with Keil evaluation            01/01/70 00:00      
   Eval Tools.            01/01/70 00:00      
      That makes sense            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's not that much more useable            01/01/70 00:00      
            Work-around for evaluation version limitations?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Marked -1            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'm not so sure you're right here ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Irrelevant if people have ideas - should they be debated?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     There's a reason I haven't done it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Would not represent a valid evaluation            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Wait a minute ... You've got this wrong ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     One question            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What about the guy who simply wants to evaluate the product?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           sometimes coding situations and requirements differ            01/01/70 00:00      
                        How would you like it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's not what I'm asking them to do            01/01/70 00:00      
                              A message from the OP.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I don't supply the compiler ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Wrong view on evaluation tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                           as I've said before, where you sit determines what you see            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Still failing to recognize reason for hole in code map            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 You missed my point again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Simulate or use Logic Analyser            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       ramblings            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Using evaluation software and hardware            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The above would be true if....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You don't seriously believe that, do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                A thief is a thief            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Indeed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   FIrst of all, I don't advocate theivery            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      and more mumbo jumbo in the reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Can _you_ not read debugger output?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          8255            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Yes, but they're still shipped on some 805x trainer boards            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Just sayin'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Square Wheels for the Car            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I disagree ... not that that should surprise anyone            01/01/70 00:00      
                        eval and evaluation            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Yes, if only they were useful ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Also "LPC900 Studio"            01/01/70 00:00      
         They all seem crippled            01/01/70 00:00      
            comments            01/01/70 00:00      
            They all seem crippled            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes ... SDCC ... the obvious solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what's obvious about it            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Why not?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Unfortunately            01/01/70 00:00      
                              re Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 15 years ago?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    OK, maybe not            01/01/70 00:00      
            reasonable price            01/01/70 00:00      
            raisonance is 4k with no code offset            01/01/70 00:00      

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