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07/23/11 08:15
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 		 #182989 - Those are the conventional meanings
Responding to: ???'s previous message
David Prentice said:
You are being accurate but pedantic.

No, I think he's being perfectly reasonable - the whole point of ISP (including IAP) is precisely that you do not need to take the chip out of its "system" to program it.
Therefore, you do not need a separate "programmer".

In Atmel circles ISP refers to the device being programmed on its pcb.

Not just Atmel - that is the conventional meaning.

In many circles IAP refers to the device being programmed in application i.e. not in RESET.

Again, that is the conventional meaning.

In particular, it means that the application (ie, your program) can update itself.

IAP requires ISP, but not all ISP chips are IAP.

In other words, ISP is necessary but not sufficient for IAP.


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TopicAuthorDate
ISP Programmer / Good for both 8051 and 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Never assume            01/01/70 00:00      
   yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
   Programmer for Atmel 8051 microcontrollers            01/01/70 00:00      
   Do only buy the ATMEL's original AT89ISP programmer cable!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
         You expect...            01/01/70 00:00      
   WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Have you been on holiday with Richard?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Those are the conventional meanings            01/01/70 00:00      
            This is getting silly.            01/01/70 00:00      
               I see - I think?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It looks as if the STC is a RS232 ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
         Clearly not, as Richard would never, Never, NEVER use ATMEL            01/01/70 00:00      
            different reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not necessarily ... though very possibly.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The Two from the retirement home...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Statler and Waldorf ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     would you be inclined to deal with ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We all have these stories...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           not at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I have to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Those are minor offenses by comparison.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Exists?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Peeeeer...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Now I understand the "Arghmel" thing            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Have you ever told us this before?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I have never experienced such problems            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It's not so much the problem, as the handling of it.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Gee ... I thought it was just the French design team            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I do not            01/01/70 00:00      
            Advise, seniors, please..            01/01/70 00:00      
               Start a new thread!            01/01/70 00:00      
               re: advise            01/01/70 00:00      
               Have you considered FRAM?            01/01/70 00:00      
   there is no such thing            01/01/70 00:00      
      Since we are being pedantic            01/01/70 00:00      
         Programming adapter?            01/01/70 00:00      
         A distinction is necessary?            01/01/70 00:00      

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