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10/20/09 20:59
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#169914 - Don't upgrade "possible" into "better than"...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard said:
WHy do you believe that using a toaster to solder to a PCB would work any better than the factory production equipment?

$100 if you can show where I made such a claim. Calm down and read posts multiple times if needed, before answering. Read other peoples posts as well as you expect people to read datasheets.

Hobbyists seldom use 400 ball chips. But they may need to solder 64 ball chips for the simple reason that the chip isn't available in another footprint. Another important thing is that it is a big difference between 0.5mm pitch and 1.27mm.

I do not recommend people to run out and buy toaster ovens, but there is ample proof that a hobbyist can manage BGA projects. Not claimed to be easy. But claimed to be possible.

For our initial BGA-based design (about three years ago) we did one redesign for the reason that too few PCB manufacturers could manage the tolerances at all, or the premium cost was too high. Mainly because of the alignment requirements. With the initial spin, we had about 90% usable boards. And the solder process was well calibrated and we hadn't any other chips close by that disturbed the process and required a board-unique recalibration so the x-ray images showed a go-ahead from the start.

Since then, the BGA chips have had less faults than the TQFP chips. No pins that could be slightly bent, and optical scans of the balls can detect chips with damaged solder balls before the chip is mounted. At least for prototypes, people will do well to add zero-ohm resistance bridges to all important signals, to allow easy access to them and, if needed, allow patching.

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Cost of micros            01/01/70 00:00      
   check out mouser.com , digikey.com farnell.com etc            01/01/70 00:00      
      checked out...            01/01/70 00:00      
         UK - beware!            01/01/70 00:00      
            UK-Specific: Digikey update            01/01/70 00:00      
   In the UK            01/01/70 00:00      
   Freebies!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Atmel representatives            01/01/70 00:00      
         RS components            01/01/70 00:00      
            surface mount TFQP packages            01/01/70 00:00      
               Dev Board            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One proviso            01/01/70 00:00      
            TQFP ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Lots of people solder BGA too            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not so fast, Per ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Note that link was about hobbyists            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That's been tried ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Don't upgrade "possible" into "better than"...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's worth a whole thread in itself - and a FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That wasn't my point, actually ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     re: bgas            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's all in what you prefer, I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                           having once dealt with those U.S. houses            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No ... we've been using houses in the PRC            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ooops! - double post ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           jeebus            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If you have specifics, then name 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 names            01/01/70 00:00      
                  This looks good            01/01/70 00:00      
            QFP/TQFP SOCKETS?            01/01/70 00:00      
               QFP/TQFP SOCKETS - EXPENSIVE?!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Expensive yes but what is the requirement            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The requirement            01/01/70 00:00      
               Watch out for test sockets            01/01/70 00:00      
                  This applies to BGA's as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                     BGA soldering            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Welllll            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Specific local information            01/01/70 00:00      
            Err            01/01/70 00:00      
               Probably low correlation between vote and posts            01/01/70 00:00      
               Err??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Err??            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Pricing            01/01/70 00:00      
                        clickable            01/01/70 00:00      
                           no, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     how hard would this be?            01/01/70 00:00      
   depends in task            01/01/70 00:00      
      Task defined here            01/01/70 00:00      

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