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10/20/09 19:23
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#169912 - That's been tried ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
WHy do you believe that using a toaster to solder to a PCB would work any better than the factory production equipment? I agree that, if the PCB is "right", then the toaster will probably work as well as anything, but ... as they say ... there's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip ... which means that it's still easy to make a mistake. Unfortunately, the only way to "check" to see whether the BGA is properly soldered is to x-ray the chip. Most prototype houses in the U.S. can't/won't hold tolerances on solder mask, or, for that matter, registration between layers, sufficiently tight to allow the use of BGA packages. Further, they can't/won't drill small enough holes, because those small-enough-holes (.0035") (vias) are smaller than their minimal tolerance(=/-0.003" = 0.006", worst case) and the ring is therefore too large to allow an escape route on a mid-size (~400-ball) BGA. Only with multiple respins can U.S. board houses "get it right" enough to produce one in ten usable boards. I one orders only 6 prototypes, it's likely, in fact, VERY likely, that they'll all be unusable.

If one has a "proper" BGA-to-through-hole adapter, it probably has been worked out such that one can, indeed use a toaster-oven to solder the thing, provided, of course, the toaster-oven is sufficiently hot. Without precisely located solder mask, however, all bets are off.

If one has boards made in the PRC, Taiwan, or Korea, it's very likely they'll be right the first time, although, there, one will have to deal with a direct competitor within weeks, since their cultural attitude toward IP differs from ours. The only realistic protection one has from that pitfall is programming during receiving inspection when the boards are assembled. Unfortunately, U.S. prototype assembly facilities also only are capable of producing about a 10% yield, so, once again, one has to have the work done in the PRC, where, if any one makes even one mistake, their reusable body parts are subsequently sold into the Asian medical tourism industry in order to recover the cost of correcting the mistake. It would be terrific if such policies were followed here in the U.S. There would be vast and immediate improvement in quality!

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Cost of micros            01/01/70 00:00      
   check out mouser.com , digikey.com farnell.com etc            01/01/70 00:00      
      checked out...            01/01/70 00:00      
         UK - beware!            01/01/70 00:00      
            UK-Specific: Digikey update            01/01/70 00:00      
   In the UK            01/01/70 00:00      
   Freebies!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Atmel representatives            01/01/70 00:00      
         RS components            01/01/70 00:00      
            surface mount TFQP packages            01/01/70 00:00      
               Dev Board            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One proviso            01/01/70 00:00      
            TQFP ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Lots of people solder BGA too            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not so fast, Per ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Note that link was about hobbyists            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That's been tried ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Don't upgrade "possible" into "better than"...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's worth a whole thread in itself - and a FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That wasn't my point, actually ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     re: bgas            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's all in what you prefer, I guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                           having once dealt with those U.S. houses            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No ... we've been using houses in the PRC            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ooops! - double post ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           jeebus            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If you have specifics, then name 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 names            01/01/70 00:00      
                  This looks good            01/01/70 00:00      
            QFP/TQFP SOCKETS?            01/01/70 00:00      
               QFP/TQFP SOCKETS - EXPENSIVE?!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Expensive yes but what is the requirement            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The requirement            01/01/70 00:00      
               Watch out for test sockets            01/01/70 00:00      
                  This applies to BGA's as well            01/01/70 00:00      
                     BGA soldering            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Welllll            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Specific local information            01/01/70 00:00      
            Err            01/01/70 00:00      
               Probably low correlation between vote and posts            01/01/70 00:00      
               Err??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Err??            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Pricing            01/01/70 00:00      
                        clickable            01/01/70 00:00      
                           no, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                     how hard would this be?            01/01/70 00:00      
   depends in task            01/01/70 00:00      
      Task defined here            01/01/70 00:00      

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