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07/16/09 17:06
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 		 #167435 - "Most coders"
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
Most coders don't care that their employer/client has to buy the next-larger MCU because he didnt want to whittle down his work product. They don't care because the cost isn't that large and its unlikely to be noticed.


When I worked for a small pro-audio company, one of the very first things discussed when starting a new product design was the bill-of-materials cost, which was further broken down into mechanical and electronic sections. IOW, we had a cost target to meet. So to say that the firmware guy didn't care is absurd, because he was involved in the discussion.

However, I consider it unconscionable to ask one's client to buy an MCU with 64KB of code space on-chip when, with a little extra effort, the code size could fit in 32 KB, as is often the case when one uses a HLL and the associated libraries.


And do you really have any evidence that "most coders" do this?

-a

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switchover from 8048 to 8031            01/01/70 00:00      
   P4-P7 whereabouts            01/01/70 00:00      
      This might be a bit trickier than you think ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         interfacing 8243 to uprocessor            01/01/70 00:00      
   Replacing one dinosaur with another?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Maybe you should reconsider the system configuration            01/01/70 00:00      
   8048 -> 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
      if you buy a SILabs kit ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Beware of 'C'-only systems ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Pardon??!            01/01/70 00:00      
               I have to believe their tech support guys ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The SILabs 'tools' are KEIL            01/01/70 00:00      
                     My point, exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        WHO states that he has to use Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                           There's probably good reason for that!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the KEY word            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 You can't evaluate with something that's not complete            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    But they obviously can't give away the complete product            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       migration of 8243 expender            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          what specifically does not work?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Of course not!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Agree with you there!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          On the subject of cars ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             When I feel like it            01/01/70 00:00      
            male cow manure            01/01/70 00:00      
               The tools SiLabs wants you to use ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  the old familar tune and singing it off key            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Lots of C code to fill 2kB or 4kB            01/01/70 00:00      
                        and how will that help the O/P?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        maybe if the lines are....            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Don't you worry            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It was a kind of joke.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Illustrated here            01/01/70 00:00      
                  2K of binaries for just a few dozen lines of 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     perhaps, but the O/P didn't say he wants to use 'C'            01/01/70 00:00      
                        You were the one who raised it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           True enough, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              read the Keil manual            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I don't believe that's the case            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes, it was definitely you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Emulation possible            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    why not emulate 8048 in 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Interesting idea, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          how to 8243            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             It could be quite straightforward            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                it could be....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             how to 8243            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                You really should open a museum!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   You really.....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       conv51            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Yep ... you're right ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    SiLabs parts            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's not at all clear what the problem is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I know that you live in the past            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       it's all about the timing ... and the support            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          If it matters, then you shouldn't be asking            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          living in the past, you would not know of ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       quality of support            01/01/70 00:00      
                              "Most coders"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 do you really have any evidence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You clearly haven't though about it!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       which is the correct procedure            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not so ridiculous ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             when I discuss a, you invariably bring up b            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    assembler code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       C and assembler are complements            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's meaningless, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's not pointless, Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
                        2kB of code space is quite a lot for evaluation            01/01/70 00:00      
                           One could answer this in a number of ways ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I think I know why Richard keeps arguing against C ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 In that case, where's the benefit?            01/01/70 00:00      
      It is unclear...            01/01/70 00:00      
         8048 to 8051 migration            01/01/70 00:00      
            240 i/o pins is an awful lot            01/01/70 00:00      
               Many alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
               I doubt he's using 240 I/O pins            01/01/70 00:00      
                  240 pins i/o            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Have you considered Programmable Logic?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What will you do when those i8243's are exhausted?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        old 8243 equipment            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It's entirely up to you            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Max 8 addresses on I2C?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              wouldn't it be wise to start thinking about this right now?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 wouldn't it be wise...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I2C configuration for 240 I/Os            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 PCA9501            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Decentalized options ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I would definitely look at multiple controllers            01/01/70 00:00      
                              max 8 adresses...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 SPI often cheap compared to I2C            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not necessarily true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       not nessesarily true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             51 derivative            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                IIC chips            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          cheaper            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             cheaper            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    shift register            01/01/70 00:00      
                              re: Max 8 I2C addresses            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 two options            01/01/70 00:00      
                           NXP has a line of "bus splitters"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Still unclear [edited]            01/01/70 00:00      
               8048 to 8051 migration            01/01/70 00:00      
                  AT89S8253            01/01/70 00:00      
                  AT89S8253            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sorry... duplicated post!!            01/01/70 00:00      
            8048 vs 89S52 DIP40 may fit but different pinout            01/01/70 00:00      

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