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11/05/08 06:06
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#159685 - New site
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Per Westermark said:
1) I can't read the top three menu choices, because of the color choice. They have too little grayscale contrast for me to see. When hovering, the contrast is a little bit better, but not much. In IE, I can click and drag to select the text and get the background to invert. That make me able to read the text, but this trick doesn't work in Firefox.


You mean the orange color of Online Store, Consulting Services, and The 8052.com Book?

2) Would it be possible to get the new layout to keep the memory of read posts, instead of showing everything as new?


Go to the bottom of the page and click "Mark all as New". The new system does keep track of posts read but uses a different system than the old one, so you have to click that to reset it.

3) When I write this message, every single character I press results in the screen display to jump. The width of the text input box widens a bit, resulting in all layout being updated. Then the layout directly returns to the previous. But the flicker is very annoying. This tested with IE7. Doesn't seem to happen with Firefox. I think that it is your Javascript code to remove the Post button when new text is added that results in this problem in IE.


That was reported by a beta tester months ago but then I think it went away and I could never reproduce it. I'm using IE7 in Vista, too (for testing). Do you have any more information at all that could help me track this down? Exact IE version? Operating System version? Anything else that might possibly make a difference?

4) Could you make the menu remember that I'm in the forum, so it is possible to switch between the normal forum and the chat with a single click, instead of first having to click "Message Forum" just to expand the sub-menu?


A good idea. I'll plan on that once critical things have been fixed.

5) Do we now always have to preview our post, even if we don't have any formatting that would be meaningful to preview? At least from the Keil forum, the experience is that people who can't get formatting correct will still not bother to look at the preview. They just click "Preview" and directly continue with the "Post" button. On this forum, there is always the "Edit" in case we do miss a markup. By the way: The preview show on the top, but if this is a long text, I have to scroll past the preview and past this input box to get down to the Post button. It might be an idea to show a post buton either on top of the preview, or directly below the preview, to avoid the scrolling.


The idea of having the edit window below the preview is so that the user has to scroll through the message before posting. Hopefully if he scrolls through it he'll see anything that looks wrong and fix it. If I put the "Submit" button at the top of the preview then that purpose is defeated.

6) When looking at posts in a thread, IE only shows a red cross in white box instead of icon for "good post". In Firefox, there is no indication at all that there is a missing image associated with the post. See last post (03/Nov/08 10:47 am) in thread http://www.8052.com/forum/read/159552


Should be fixed now.

7) Is it intentional that reading one post should mark all posts with earlier date above as read? From a couple of quick experiments, this seems to indicate that in a threaded discussion I may walk through one branch of the discussion and at the same time mark another branch as read, i.e. to not miss a post we are forced to read the posts from top to bottom, even if branching may interest me in reading the branches in another order.


This should be the way it used to work as well. I use the flat mode as opposed to thread which makes it "just work." But if you select threaded mode and then read the posts in the "wrong" order then, yes, it makes sense that the rest of them will be marked as "read." The system only keeps track of the last message you read in a given thread so if you read a later message, all earlier messages are assumed to be read. But that's the same way the old system worked, too, so it shouldn't be having differently... is it?

Regards,
Craig Steiner
8052.com Webmaster

List of 228 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
NEW WEBSITE DESIGN            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      New site            01/01/70 00:00      
         Response            01/01/70 00:00      
         Display jumping            01/01/70 00:00      
            Same here            01/01/70 00:00      
               Forward or backward return to thread list?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Still?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, it has gone away!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     same here            01/01/70 00:00      
      Additional changes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Congratulations Craig!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I like it!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Contrast            01/01/70 00:00      
         Really nice looks, cheers..!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         1 question to craig            01/01/70 00:00      
            Use of shift when registering account?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Capitalization            01/01/70 00:00      
   Help Creating My Home Page            01/01/70 00:00      
   Follow up on "read" state            01/01/70 00:00      
      Read state            01/01/70 00:00      
         Contrast + read state            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problems with scrollbars            01/01/70 00:00      
      Scrollbars fixed!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Printable view does not work            01/01/70 00:00      
   nice...            01/01/70 00:00      
   subject list too small            01/01/70 00:00      
      two more comments            01/01/70 00:00      
         Index page can be blocked from indexing.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Subject list too small            01/01/70 00:00      
         Different font size for different parts of layout            01/01/70 00:00      
         bigger font            01/01/70 00:00      
            Font size            01/01/70 00:00      
               Font Size - Reader gets to pick!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Missing the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Font size fixed?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Perfect for me            01/01/70 00:00      
   Nice Idea, needs minor fixes            01/01/70 00:00      
   a minor nuisance            01/01/70 00:00      
      New messages            01/01/70 00:00      
      IE bug            01/01/70 00:00      
         No            01/01/70 00:00      
   unnecessary clicks            01/01/70 00:00      
      User account            01/01/70 00:00      
         I do not want to do that            01/01/70 00:00      
            Works great with unified viewing            01/01/70 00:00      
   Link highlighting?            01/01/70 00:00      
      https instead of http?            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's correct            01/01/70 00:00      
            I can't find            01/01/70 00:00      
               Top of screen            01/01/70 00:00      
   Missing Link            01/01/70 00:00      
      Update?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Noob Guide            01/01/70 00:00      
   Auto-read own posts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
   Home page            01/01/70 00:00      
   Changes this evening            01/01/70 00:00      
      No jitter            01/01/70 00:00      
      Upper Three Button ForeColor            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yellow is best            01/01/70 00:00      
            I have to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
      Post / Preview            01/01/70 00:00      
         Enforce Preview before Post            01/01/70 00:00      
            mandatory preview before Post becomes possible?            01/01/70 00:00      
   May I Ask...            01/01/70 00:00      
   2 Suggestions            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thought about hat            01/01/70 00:00      
         Use email address...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I say so            01/01/70 00:00      
               email address is fine            01/01/70 00:00      
   Sticky Click            01/01/70 00:00      
      one more thing            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not sure what that means            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Highlighting of last contribution?            01/01/70 00:00      
      if I understand you correctly            01/01/70 00:00      
         What would be wrong...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Last post in thread list?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Suggestion: Buttons            01/01/70 00:00      
      "Inser Code" button still confusing - and preview            01/01/70 00:00      
         Agree to disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
            On balance            01/01/70 00:00      
         Preview before post            01/01/70 00:00      
            change button text maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
   Weird sequence            01/01/70 00:00      
      Moved post?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
   Changes 11/06/2008            01/01/70 00:00      
      The text box not needed due...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thank you for the quick corrections            01/01/70 00:00      
   Font size is very small even in 1024X768 and 15"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Opera - Thread list is centered            01/01/70 00:00      
      Centered thread list            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yep - works now, thanks for this very nice, EOM            01/01/70 00:00      
   background color            01/01/70 00:00      
      Confirm!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Background color fixed            01/01/70 00:00      
         Seems to work now!            01/01/70 00:00      
   an old nugget has come back            01/01/70 00:00      
   New strange "new" markup            01/01/70 00:00      
      Strange "New" behavior            01/01/70 00:00      
         Result of the "new" optimization            01/01/70 00:00      
      Old thread            01/01/70 00:00      
   Please put "Mark all msgs read" link at top            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, please!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I can't get in our web site...            01/01/70 00:00      
      I have no explanation            01/01/70 00:00      
         I fixed the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   congrats            01/01/70 00:00      
   New login issue            01/01/70 00:00      
      Issues with new format            01/01/70 00:00      
         Driver issue or web browser?            01/01/70 00:00      
            could be            01/01/70 00:00      
         Mozilla problem I think            01/01/70 00:00      
            Netscape            01/01/70 00:00      
      Fixed            01/01/70 00:00      
         Some updates            01/01/70 00:00      
            Problem with new threads            01/01/70 00:00      
            Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Old thread locking brocken!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Resolved            01/01/70 00:00      
   two issues            01/01/70 00:00      
      and two more            01/01/70 00:00      
         Two problems or one?            01/01/70 00:00      
            same problem caused by different actions            01/01/70 00:00      
      And new posts not flagged as new.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Works here            01/01/70 00:00      
         found out something            01/01/70 00:00      
            click needed            01/01/70 00:00      
               no need to do so ....            01/01/70 00:00      
      details            01/01/70 00:00      
   I like 8052.com            01/01/70 00:00      
   Oldest Not Working            01/01/70 00:00      
      Broken before?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Broken or Removed Feature?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think just disabled for now...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Correct            01/01/70 00:00      
            Load tests            01/01/70 00:00      
   it SEEMS to me            01/01/70 00:00      
   Delete or Anonymize?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Privacy?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yet different            01/01/70 00:00      
            Trust            01/01/70 00:00      
               conversely            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Deleting accounts            01/01/70 00:00      
                     absolutely            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sounds good to me.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Re: Changes            01/01/70 00:00      
   Where do my posts go?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I see them            01/01/70 00:00      
         Is anyone else having problems posting?            01/01/70 00:00      
            They are there now            01/01/70 00:00      
               Delays still there            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Now?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Only after a forced refresh            01/01/70 00:00      
            I've had mixed experience ... I though it was censorship!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Automatic login?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  the problem has been unwanted automatic logout            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Automatic cookie cleanup?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Nope ... I thought of that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Check Box            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes!            01/01/70 00:00      
   a new one            01/01/70 00:00      
   "my account"            01/01/70 00:00      
      I just retired from having an actual job            01/01/70 00:00      
         It was my decision, the timing was not what I wanted            01/01/70 00:00      
            Let us know where you hang your consulting hat            01/01/70 00:00      
               the changes did (eventually) take            01/01/70 00:00      
   Can't contribute to FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
   "bible" link(s)            01/01/70 00:00      
   Can't delete data from user page ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   To webmaster: Why my postings appear with capital letters ?            01/01/70 00:00      
      You used capital characters when registering?            01/01/70 00:00      
         capitalization much the same            01/01/70 00:00      
            How did you register?            01/01/70 00:00      
   trying to add to a FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
      See also:            01/01/70 00:00      
   I just realized a (nominal) omission            01/01/70 00:00      
   once upon a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Workaround            01/01/70 00:00      
         Don't lock until OP returns            01/01/70 00:00      
   a hint            01/01/70 00:00      
   suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
   Meta-wackiness            01/01/70 00:00      
      Agreed!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Bad copy/paste?            01/01/70 00:00      
   "Off-Topic" Scores            01/01/70 00:00      
      Website            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Auto-email to OP            01/01/70 00:00      
   ASM-51            01/01/70 00:00      
      do not hijack            01/01/70 00:00      
   Duplicate Member Names Showing            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, it looks like, but actually...            01/01/70 00:00      
   is autoscroll disabled?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Works for me            01/01/70 00:00      
         definitely no autoscroll here            01/01/70 00:00      
            autoscrolling now works            01/01/70 00:00      
   not a problem for me, information            01/01/70 00:00      
      "Known" bug?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why is not used a popular forum like vBulletin or phpbb?            01/01/70 00:00      
            History?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Good old days :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Is there really a strong enough reason to migrate?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I don't think so            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Files            01/01/70 00:00      
                     no            01/01/70 00:00      
                  On switching to phpBB            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Out of Date Discussion...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I think that was my point?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        This thread makes the point            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Quite possibly so            01/01/70 00:00      
                  an example of migrating to a newer forum            01/01/70 00:00      
            and lose all the good stuff ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Suggestion            01/01/70 00:00      
      will never work            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nice idea, but....            01/01/70 00:00      
         Much work - little (or negative) gain            01/01/70 00:00      
   one minor issue            01/01/70 00:00      
   Forward and Backward forum thread reply navigation?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why would I get this message?            01/01/70 00:00      
   a non-problematic oddity            01/01/70 00:00      
      OP Edited            01/01/70 00:00      
   not od any importance, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
   Craig            01/01/70 00:00      
      American conservatism in page headers            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes - it does seem rather inappropriate            01/01/70 00:00      

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