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10/17/08 20:31
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#159169 - it is SERIAL EEPROM
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Andy Neil said:
Richard Erlacher said:
If EPROM is now a generic term, how's one to interpret whether it's an EPROM, EEPROM, FLASH, SEEPROM, NVRAM, FRAM, MRAM, or whatever?

What do you mean by SEEPROM?

It's Serial EEPROM.

But NVRAM, FRAM, and MRAM are not ROM at all - so the problem doesn't arise!

In that case, you could say that FLASH and EEPROM aren't ROM either!


But it does raise another issue:

"RAM" simply stands for Random Access Memory (as distinct from sequential access memory); it doesn't actually say anything about whether it is read-only, or read-write - and neither does it actually say anything about whether the storage is volatile or not...

;-)


Well, FLASH certainly isn't random-access for writes, is it? Some FLASH devices have to be read in sectors, too. That's not random-access. I don't see a point in rummaging through all the possible semantic combinations and permuations. Everybody knows what an EPROM is, and they know what the difference between EPROM and EEPROM is, or, at least, should. They should also know the difference between EEPROM and FLASH memory, and then they need to know the differences between NAND and NOR FLASH technology.

Whenever I see someone refer to a device functioning as a read-only-memory, I call it a ROM despite the fact it may, in fact be a RAM of one sort or another. After all, its function determines what it is. You can argue whether a gate is an AND or a NOR, and you can argue about whether a flipflop is R/S or 'D', but if you use it as a given function, that defines what it is.

The manufacturers don't have a problem defining what the device is ... if it starts with 27-something, it's an EPROM, UV-erasable if at all, and if it starts with 28-something, it's electrically erasable, and probably EEPROM. If it's flash, well, the numbers vary. Likewise, if your MCU says 87-something, it's probably EPROM, and only can be erased with UV, while if it's 89-something, well, all bets are off.

I believe we should strive for clarity, rather than "muddying the water" with such semantic gymnastics.

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MOVX doesn't work for writing.            01/01/70 00:00      
   It's a read-only memory            01/01/70 00:00      
      EEPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
         RAM-EPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
            That wouldn't be an EEPROM.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Look at Ferro-electric memory            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not wrong.            01/01/70 00:00      
            An EEPROM is an EPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
               Technically, but not in common usage of the term.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Common use != Definition            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not quite ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No, it's not            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A datasheet that actually calls it a "UVEPROM"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     OK ... I stand corrected ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A link with EPROM <= EEPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Not that generic!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Magnetic core memory            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it is SERIAL EEPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
                              UVEPROM?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I think a part number would be the solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Symmetric speed too.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ta paidia paizei !!!            01/01/70 00:00      
            EEPROM implies EPROM            01/01/70 00:00      
               Today, it's the other way round.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  assumption < implication            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You missed the point!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     As one of my old tutors used to say...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Let's not confuse things further            01/01/70 00:00      
            You have also missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
      Or...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some Kind Like....            01/01/70 00:00      
      Non-Volatile Memory            01/01/70 00:00      
         or maybe the AT28C64B will work            01/01/70 00:00      
      You mean you want an NVRAM?            01/01/70 00:00      
   write eeprom            01/01/70 00:00      
      that may not be the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
         EPROM has special write-procedures            01/01/70 00:00      
   Check the write waveform timings!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      How?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Source code to simulate MOVX...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Start with the datasheet ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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