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01/15/13 06:35
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#189171 - Not exactly ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
If I've berated you at all it's been because you frequently ignore what the person making the request for information asks and recommend something else instead. In this particular case, the original poster made it clear that he understands some of what he's doing. Clearly, he doesn't understand it well, but telling him to do something else probably won't help him.

Apparently you've overlooked that the Dallas chips, i.e. the ones with on-chip program store, e.g. that DS89C430 he previously mentioned, are, in fact, ISP chips, though they won't, IIRC, allow you to program the bottom 32 kBytes with IAP. Since that's not his stated goal, I don't suppose it matters.

I fundamentally agree that some of the SiLabs devices may work as well as the Dallas chips he's mentioned, but those aren't the ones with which he's asking us to help him. However, what I recommended was that he use the ISP feature of that Dallas part, which simply requires a serial port. While the parallel programming circuit and algorithm was published in the original DS89C4x0 datasheet, I've never recommended it above the serial (RS232) version, since the serial version is so simple.

I'm still convinced that when a guy asks how to implement external memory, utilize an 8255, or do something else outside the current mainstream, it is a disservice to him to tell him to use a component other than what he's asked about until after you've told him how to do what he wants. Once you've told him how to do things in what you consider the wrong way, since it should still work properly, you can recommend an easier way, since it should become apparent to him that your way is better. Your frequent, "Don't do what you want, do what I want!" is not helpful.

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Regarding Typical memory connection for a ds80c320            01/01/70 00:00      
   drop it!            01/01/70 00:00      
   same question - same answers            01/01/70 00:00      
   It won't work            01/01/70 00:00      
      Andy Neil's previous message            01/01/70 00:00      
         little feet stamping the floor            01/01/70 00:00      
            little feet stamping the floor            01/01/70 00:00      
               Erik doesn't like it when you don't do what he wants            01/01/70 00:00      
                  KISS            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I find it odd that you            01/01/70 00:00      
                           just to add            01/01/70 00:00      
                              If you really want to use ds80c320            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Not necessary ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What about the other option?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes, but ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                              So your development cycle will be...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What about that other post?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              reply to all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 'something'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    "something" reply            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Some links to reduce work             01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I'm not surprised ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                                    down memory lane            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Antique chips            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          in my opinion            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Just where, under the hood, can you look?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                this applies equally well            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Did he say he wants apples?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Highly integrated devices deprive one of valuable experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the only difference ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                                          a monitor can not             01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I don't think anyone's that foolish ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I do            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   He doesn't have to apply external memory            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      by your posts he does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         You have to consider ALL his posts            01/01/70 00:00      
            The bible links            01/01/70 00:00      
               you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      

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