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04/03/09 13:51
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 		 #164285 - That's still their goal ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
If 805x goes away, ARM's the big winner. If it hangs on, ARM's still the big winner.

Why? If you buy their core in one or another MCU, they win. If you use their compiler, they win. They're simply luring folks out onto the branch so they can, eventually, saw it off. The ARM is supported by the most widely used compiler in the industry, namely the GNU tool set. It's basically free of cost, and it's completely standard. The ARM/KEIL toolset for 805x costs what? ... about $4kUS?

That ensures that any new startup will want to use ARM instead of 805x, no matter how superior the 805x instruction set is, simply because everybody wants to write their code in 'C' and use large-computer features supported by the GNU tool set, particularly because one can easily run the tools under LINUX, which is an adequate native-mode environment for ARM. Unfortunately, it will always drive the cost of a subsystem based on the MCU upward in cost and complexity.

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2009 Embedded Systems Conference Trip Report            01/01/70 00:00      
   8051 dead?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I have heard that before            01/01/70 00:00      
         quoting Samuel Clemens            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not dead, but not sexy?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ramtron?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why is their part so much faster ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         it runs out of FLASH, not FRAM            01/01/70 00:00      
            Which rather kills their own claims for FRAM?            01/01/70 00:00      
            width of program memory            01/01/70 00:00      
               4 times as fast            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It might have to be wider            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Memory acceleration a growing problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Branch prediction?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        all these techniques...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's why I like the Maxim/Dallas parts            01/01/70 00:00      
                           In that case, BP was optional.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              yes, it's the good news, that it's possible at all            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dead? Keil (an ARM company) don't think so!            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's still their goal ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         native-mode environment            01/01/70 00:00      
            cross-compilation is king            01/01/70 00:00      
            I don't follow ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Follow            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I still don't know what you meant, Andy ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cheap native compiler normally equals cheap cross-compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'm told GCC is about the best there is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It makes little sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I'm told that it may not be...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Now I'm confused!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I guess it's just a matter of preference.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Still unsure what your "it" was            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the IT is in the full implementation.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 $40 evb's for a fully-implemented ARM            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Normally compiling on a PC            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Will $49 do?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       €39            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          STR9-comSTICK            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Well, the goal is to leave the PC out of the picture            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                rephrase            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I must admit, that is quite true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Well, not quite ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Full complement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Careful, now!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What I meant ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         ... which is in turn good news for the chipmakers...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I just bought a new hot-water-heater that's 'net free            01/01/70 00:00      
               yes, we know you love that old stuff ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  old-stuff?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  W2            01/01/70 00:00      
         Windows for ARM...?            01/01/70 00:00      
            EEEEEEK!            01/01/70 00:00      
               I knew you'd like it!            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's already a Windows for ARM.            01/01/70 00:00      
   ARM for cheap            01/01/70 00:00      
      Cheap ARM vs Expensive 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
         The cheapest ARM chips can be had for $1            01/01/70 00:00      
            For hobbyists            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's getting to be that way, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, that one is pretty close            01/01/70 00:00      
         Don't lock down memory size - just think "good enough"            01/01/70 00:00      
            No, it should NOT be just that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               All depending on product and actual product usage            01/01/70 00:00      
   TI buys Luminary            01/01/70 00:00      
      Detail (updated)            01/01/70 00:00      
      What's it like to be taken-over by TI?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Burr-Brown            01/01/70 00:00      
            Another update for your "family tree"...            01/01/70 00:00      
               TI had benchmarq too            01/01/70 00:00      
               who ate whom            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Benchmarq -> Unitrode -> TI            01/01/70 00:00      

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