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06/02/08 12:56
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#155395 - What you CAN do
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Alex Chiu said:

I would like to design good products, however, nowadays, products are need to be interfaced or integrated to others. For example, you design a mobile phone market the mobile. However, most often, you do not design the charger, you OEM or you simple let the client buy the charger. My products is like that, I cannot provide the power supply as the client provides that. I cannot control where my client install the equipment. My experience, when they installed in peak, lightning surge always damage the products.

So, I simple thank a chip that features watch dog and monitor the power is the easy way. At the end, does anyone have idea on a chip have that function : AT89C55WD + CL1232
Regards
Alex


This might apply if the watchdog were, in any way, capable of solving the problems that cause it to become active. It is not!

Though you don't provide the raw power supply, you can do what is necessary to filter and regulate your on-board supply properly.

If you specify the raw, external supply properly, your customer will have to provide it, isn't that so? You must ensure that you have sufficient headroom on the input supply so that you can do whatever is necessary in order to protect the on-board power from outside stress. You must provide the necessary filters, MOV's, clamps, etc, to limit the input supply's effect on the regulated VCC and GND rails. You must provide the firmware that will recover from any and all "normal" (lightning, brownout, stupid user, etc.) stresses. You must provide the means by which your firmware will "know" what happened.

You must provide firmware that will, under no circumstances, wander off into the tall grass. The watchdog can't do any of that. All it can do is tell you that trouble has arrived. It's like the light on the dashboad of your car ... the one that says "check engine". It simply tells you that trouble has arrived, and not what sort of trouble it is.

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TopicAuthorDate
Looking for a 80XX chip with build in Watch Dog            01/01/70 00:00      
   Complex?            01/01/70 00:00      
   they are legio            01/01/70 00:00      
      Rx2, 66x, LPC, 80F ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         you will easily recognize            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ateml            01/01/70 00:00      
               probably            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why is the power unstable?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ANY certificate is NO absolute guarantee...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Have you ever been involved in CE testing?            01/01/70 00:00      
            oh, how many times have that been the case            01/01/70 00:00      
            why do you use WD then?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Recovery            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A quote from "The Firmware Handbook":            01/01/70 00:00      
               the fallacy of 'testing'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why redesign            01/01/70 00:00      
                     'normal' is where it is to be located            01/01/70 00:00      
                        depends on the circumstances            01/01/70 00:00      
                           reduced            01/01/70 00:00      
               To calm my boss...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why would I not know how it works?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wait a minute ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I couldn't agree more...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wanted to focus on something different            01/01/70 00:00      
   Good Design vs. Uncontrollable.            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am glad I am not your customer            01/01/70 00:00      
      What you CAN do            01/01/70 00:00      
         and            01/01/70 00:00      
            but it might save the engine...            01/01/70 00:00      
               neither will a watchdog qualify ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It was Neil Kurzman...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  watch the dog            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, I agree with you            01/01/70 00:00      
            I know that it is not a good resolution.            01/01/70 00:00      
         I wish I can do that            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think you need another job            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try googling "SEPIC"            01/01/70 00:00      
               one of many            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's a type, not a brand ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
               I would recommend against it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  If you have had a look at the datasheet...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you missed a word            01/01/70 00:00      
               I've had mixed results ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Did you test the LM2674 actually?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wouldn't call it testing , but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Are you sure it was the LM2674?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Well ... as it turns out ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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