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06/01/08 13:25
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#155345 - the fallacy of 'testing'
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I have already mentioned the case of a box, otherwise operating flawlessly many hours in many installations, failing when placed in a room next to powerful transmitters used in car racing.
I do not have enough fingers and toes to count the cases I have seen/heard of where a 'flawless design' failed in the environment it was supposed to work in.

If the OP has a power problem, the the cure is NOT a watchdog, but a couple of NiCads (or supercaps).

Two cases can be seen a) you know what the problem is (the OP indicates he does) so the solution is simple handle it. b) the problem does not have a known cause so the solution is find out why and handle it.

Any design that depends on the watchdog is, in my book, faulty.

That the watchdog serves a purpose is illustarted by Jans example when, as it turned out, a new powerful radar has been installed on the nearby airport but once that has been found out a redesign making the puppy sleep peacefully is required.

Erik

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TopicAuthorDate
Looking for a 80XX chip with build in Watch Dog            01/01/70 00:00      
   Complex?            01/01/70 00:00      
   they are legio            01/01/70 00:00      
      Rx2, 66x, LPC, 80F ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         you will easily recognize            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ateml            01/01/70 00:00      
               probably            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why is the power unstable?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ANY certificate is NO absolute guarantee...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Have you ever been involved in CE testing?            01/01/70 00:00      
            oh, how many times have that been the case            01/01/70 00:00      
            why do you use WD then?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Recovery            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A quote from "The Firmware Handbook":            01/01/70 00:00      
               the fallacy of 'testing'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why redesign            01/01/70 00:00      
                     'normal' is where it is to be located            01/01/70 00:00      
                        depends on the circumstances            01/01/70 00:00      
                           reduced            01/01/70 00:00      
               To calm my boss...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why would I not know how it works?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wait a minute ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I couldn't agree more...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wanted to focus on something different            01/01/70 00:00      
   Good Design vs. Uncontrollable.            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am glad I am not your customer            01/01/70 00:00      
      What you CAN do            01/01/70 00:00      
         and            01/01/70 00:00      
            but it might save the engine...            01/01/70 00:00      
               neither will a watchdog qualify ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It was Neil Kurzman...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  watch the dog            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, I agree with you            01/01/70 00:00      
            I know that it is not a good resolution.            01/01/70 00:00      
         I wish I can do that            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think you need another job            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try googling "SEPIC"            01/01/70 00:00      
               one of many            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's a type, not a brand ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
               I would recommend against it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  If you have had a look at the datasheet...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you missed a word            01/01/70 00:00      
               I've had mixed results ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Did you test the LM2674 actually?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wouldn't call it testing , but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Are you sure it was the LM2674?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Well ... as it turns out ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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