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06/01/08 16:27
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#155351 - why would I not know how it works?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
OK let's not chew more on how I percept your first answer to the OP.

Kai Klaas said:
Don't you think that it is a much better approach to use [x, y and z] then to trust a stupid watchdog, you even don't know how it actually works??


I don't think I would not know how the watchdog I would use works. I never used one - for reasons I believe were/are valid for the designs I was involved in. However, I recommended to use some watchdog here and there, where I thought it appropriate, overviewing the result with the designer, and giving hints on its usage. You might have read my view on watchdogs here and in that (still unfinished) document I advertise so often.

I also don't think you don't know how the watchdog you are using works. You might have your doubts whether an IC which internals are not quite open to the public might be resilient enough to EMI/conducted interference, which would throw your - as you say, in this respect, perfect - design out of normal operation; but then it might be questionable whether your design needed a watchdog at all - for example, if your designs are operating in environment where you CAN easily demand "correct" operational environment, legally or through a contract (e.g. in laboratories, hospitals).

Kai Klaas said:
You can totally eliminate any noise by the smart use of filtering, grounding, shielding and other measures.


You, as a proud engineer, would undoubtedly do everything possible to achieve this.

But, remember, engineering is a balancing act, and you should never over-engineer your product. If your product is supposed to meed a certain level of immunity, either because of some compliance testing (CE, FCC, automotive, zillions of other) or because you KNOW it is going to be operate in a certain level of EM noise; if you make it an order of magnitude more resilient at a cost an order of magnitude higher than a less resilient design would cost, you might very easily got out of that particular business.

Again YMMV; and, again, THAT was my point.

JW


List of 48 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Looking for a 80XX chip with build in Watch Dog            01/01/70 00:00      
   Complex?            01/01/70 00:00      
   they are legio            01/01/70 00:00      
      Rx2, 66x, LPC, 80F ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         you will easily recognize            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ateml            01/01/70 00:00      
               probably            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why is the power unstable?            01/01/70 00:00      
      ANY certificate is NO absolute guarantee...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Have you ever been involved in CE testing?            01/01/70 00:00      
            oh, how many times have that been the case            01/01/70 00:00      
            why do you use WD then?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Recovery            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A quote from "The Firmware Handbook":            01/01/70 00:00      
               the fallacy of 'testing'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why redesign            01/01/70 00:00      
                     'normal' is where it is to be located            01/01/70 00:00      
                        depends on the circumstances            01/01/70 00:00      
                           reduced            01/01/70 00:00      
               To calm my boss...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why would I not know how it works?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     wait a minute ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I couldn't agree more...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wanted to focus on something different            01/01/70 00:00      
   Good Design vs. Uncontrollable.            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am glad I am not your customer            01/01/70 00:00      
      What you CAN do            01/01/70 00:00      
         and            01/01/70 00:00      
            but it might save the engine...            01/01/70 00:00      
               neither will a watchdog qualify ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It was Neil Kurzman...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  watch the dog            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, I agree with you            01/01/70 00:00      
            I know that it is not a good resolution.            01/01/70 00:00      
         I wish I can do that            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think you need another job            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try googling "SEPIC"            01/01/70 00:00      
               one of many            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's a type, not a brand ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
               I would recommend against it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  If you have had a look at the datasheet...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you missed a word            01/01/70 00:00      
               I've had mixed results ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Did you test the LM2674 actually?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I wouldn't call it testing , but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Are you sure it was the LM2674?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Well ... as it turns out ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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