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01/19/08 18:35
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 		 #149739 - one more right tool for the job
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Neil Kurzman said:
The ICE, Monitor, Debugger, LED, printf()

... and simulator ...

Neil Kurzman said:
All help when used properly.
But the question is what should a beginner use.


All of them. Gradually.
The toolbox has to be full. Ot, at least, the student has to be aware of the existence, properties, peculiarities and purpose of the tools.

Unfortunately, the "modern" approach - supported naturally by the toolmakers - is the "single supertool solving all your problems".

JW


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8052.com SBC and Book            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'd go silabs derivative devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
      ICE functionality            01/01/70 00:00      
         an incomplete list            01/01/70 00:00      
            amplification            01/01/70 00:00      
               No, only the flash based            01/01/70 00:00      
                  never knew            01/01/70 00:00      
            P89LPC952            01/01/70 00:00      
               952 vs SILabs            01/01/70 00:00      
         yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            sure, but what then            01/01/70 00:00      
               Who said that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I did            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Idiot            01/01/70 00:00      
                        well, somebody had to teach them :(            01/01/70 00:00      
               Problem with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  unnecessarily hard            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Explanation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Maybe in a back chapter            01/01/70 00:00      
                              SoftICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The nature of learning            01/01/70 00:00      
                           of course, education is absorbing information AND            01/01/70 00:00      
                           comment or amplification            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the embedded printf            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Erik, we two might disagree in many points...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The right tool for the Job            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 beginners should use the i805x            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 one more right tool for the job            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 comments on clarifications            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Printfs            01/01/70 00:00      
                  maybe not so much ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     comments/replies            01/01/70 00:00      
                  comments/replies            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about PLCC?            01/01/70 00:00      
      interesting, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         A PLCC Socket is solderable            01/01/70 00:00      
         OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
            I was wondering...            01/01/70 00:00      
               PLC, not PLCC            01/01/70 00:00      
      better if socketed            01/01/70 00:00      
         Socketed - Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            perhaps you have missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   multi-option implementation            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not much            01/01/70 00:00      
   It depends on the board quality ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   schmartboard            01/01/70 00:00      
   Supply PCB with only the smd micro placed            01/01/70 00:00      
   leave it            01/01/70 00:00      
      that makes sense to me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   simple is still good....            01/01/70 00:00      
      why bother            01/01/70 00:00      
         last time I bought 32KB SRAM I paid $0.48US            01/01/70 00:00      
         use part of a bigger one            01/01/70 00:00      
            that's not really a problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
               it is a problem if you rely on DIL packaging            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what is your definition of "obsoleted"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Have you seen this?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Over the last year ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Gee ... that thing really costs a lot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         no, it does not            01/01/70 00:00      
            $50            01/01/70 00:00      
            I meant this one            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks for comments, keep them coming            01/01/70 00:00      
      nothing comes free...            01/01/70 00:00      
         or            01/01/70 00:00      
         No problem with other design            01/01/70 00:00      
      How about a mezzanine board ... and some tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
         with some really slick code ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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