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01/17/08 17:07
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#149652 - How about a mezzanine board ... and some tools?
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Well, this wouldn't work as easily with the ultra-cheap (<$40US) board from New Micros, the NMIY-0031, it might work quite well with any of the old boards that use a DIL-packaged MCU.

You could place a daughterboard on the MCU socket, which would allow you insert "things" between their MCU and your physical MCU, thereby allowing ISP, and the provision of a connector to an external and off-board prototyping area.

If your goal truly is to make the pins and signals of the "standard" 805x visible to the new learner, the DS89C4x0 series is not a particularly good choice, as it doesn't have a 12-clock mode. It's a one-clocker, which is what I like, but it's bus cycle at top speed is probably too fast for anything external that's not discrete or programmable logic. It does have a convenient way to program the internal FLASH, and it does have a means for modifying the internal code, and it does have a means for modifying the memory map such that you can map out some of the internal code space in favor of external code space, and it does allow the use of its internal 1 kB of xRAM as code space. It also has features allowing the external clock to be multiplied, and it does have a built-in watchdog and voltage monitor. All these are handy, but they don't teach anything about the "biblical" 805x core. You could force it to work in a relatively understandable way, perhaps by providing code snippets that manipulate the features, but it will never "look" like a "biblical" 805x. Frankly, if you did all that work, it would be of more benefit to the Dallas people than to you, or to your intended audience.

If you want this to be an education board, then you should probably focus on connectors specifically for test instruments, e.g. oscilloscope and logic analyzer. Maybe it would be a good thing to keep the board as inexpensive as possible, and bundle it with one of those popular PC-based USB oscilloscope/logic analyzers. That has the potential of teaching quite a lot, and the combined cost could, if you're careful, still stay under $300US. After all, if the NMIY-0031 board goes for <$40US, surely you can produce something suitable and adequate for under $100US. After all, the assembled board alone is of little educational value without the attendant instruments allowing the learner to observe what's going on.

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8052.com SBC and Book            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'd go silabs derivative devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
      ICE functionality            01/01/70 00:00      
         an incomplete list            01/01/70 00:00      
            amplification            01/01/70 00:00      
               No, only the flash based            01/01/70 00:00      
                  never knew            01/01/70 00:00      
            P89LPC952            01/01/70 00:00      
               952 vs SILabs            01/01/70 00:00      
         yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            sure, but what then            01/01/70 00:00      
               Who said that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I did            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Idiot            01/01/70 00:00      
                        well, somebody had to teach them :(            01/01/70 00:00      
               Problem with that            01/01/70 00:00      
                  unnecessarily hard            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Explanation            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Maybe in a back chapter            01/01/70 00:00      
                              SoftICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The nature of learning            01/01/70 00:00      
                           of course, education is absorbing information AND            01/01/70 00:00      
                           comment or amplification            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the embedded printf            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Erik, we two might disagree in many points...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The right tool for the Job            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 beginners should use the i805x            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 one more right tool for the job            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 comments on clarifications            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Printfs            01/01/70 00:00      
                  maybe not so much ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     comments/replies            01/01/70 00:00      
                  comments/replies            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about PLCC?            01/01/70 00:00      
      interesting, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         A PLCC Socket is solderable            01/01/70 00:00      
         OOPS            01/01/70 00:00      
            I was wondering...            01/01/70 00:00      
               PLC, not PLCC            01/01/70 00:00      
      better if socketed            01/01/70 00:00      
         Socketed - Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            perhaps you have missed the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   multi-option implementation            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not much            01/01/70 00:00      
   It depends on the board quality ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   schmartboard            01/01/70 00:00      
   Supply PCB with only the smd micro placed            01/01/70 00:00      
   leave it            01/01/70 00:00      
      that makes sense to me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   simple is still good....            01/01/70 00:00      
      why bother            01/01/70 00:00      
         last time I bought 32KB SRAM I paid $0.48US            01/01/70 00:00      
         use part of a bigger one            01/01/70 00:00      
            that's not really a problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
               it is a problem if you rely on DIL packaging            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what is your definition of "obsoleted"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Have you seen this?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Over the last year ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Gee ... that thing really costs a lot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         no, it does not            01/01/70 00:00      
            $50            01/01/70 00:00      
            I meant this one            01/01/70 00:00      
   Thanks for comments, keep them coming            01/01/70 00:00      
      nothing comes free...            01/01/70 00:00      
         or            01/01/70 00:00      
         No problem with other design            01/01/70 00:00      
      How about a mezzanine board ... and some tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
         with some really slick code ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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