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09/01/06 20:24
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#123545 - Don't go off chasing that rabbit!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
So far, you've shown no indication that the 7805 types were behaving outside their specified limits. A normal 7805 is permitted to range 5% to either side of the nominal 5 volts. Most "5-volt" parts, taking this into consideration, are specified as operating within those limits.

I'm thinking that you have another problem. Have you set up one of these boards that has this low-voltage problem behavior with a high-current (e.g 20A) bench power supply driving the regulator output? You need a good feedback path to the supply, BTW, but that should tell you where the power distribution weaknesses in the hardware are located.

If the supply voltage to the supervisor chip is so low that noise and board-level voltage drop is an issue, then the problem is probably in the input voltage, the bypass, the layout, or perhaps in that the current capacity of the regulator is too low. These regulators have "features" that the designer must know and understand, e.g. short-circuit protection, thermal limits, etc. any of which might cause erratic behavior of the digital circuits. If, however, the input voltage occasionally drops below the, 2.2-volt, IIRC, (ripple, perhaps?) required margin the regulator WILL drop its output, and not necessarily in a linear relationship with the input voltage.

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78x05 output voltage tolerance            01/01/70 00:00      
   5%            01/01/70 00:00      
   Selection needed...            01/01/70 00:00      
      5%, 10%, it's all there            01/01/70 00:00      
         for decades, 5% was "standard." What's changed?            01/01/70 00:00      
         What standard do you mean??            01/01/70 00:00      
            "if"            01/01/70 00:00      
               Don't you test your circuits?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's already a pain...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     if you do, I'll take my cap off to you :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Consider the specifications            01/01/70 00:00      
   is it a Microchip supervisor?            01/01/70 00:00      
      the conclusion            01/01/70 00:00      
         No such thing as luck in any acceptable design sce            01/01/70 00:00      
            everyday we learn something...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Check it with a >5.0V outputting 7805!            01/01/70 00:00      
            it will work...            01/01/70 00:00      
               oh 'testing'            01/01/70 00:00      
            Getting more than 5 v from 7805            01/01/70 00:00      
               I would use a resistor instead of a diode            01/01/70 00:00      
                  see the datasheet, it shows how to do that...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's noise, I guess...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        some noise            01/01/70 00:00      
               the u (micro) is only specified to 5.25 or 5.5 Vol            01/01/70 00:00      
   I just had an idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Don't go off chasing that rabbit!            01/01/70 00:00      
         digital design practice            01/01/70 00:00      
            Safe side...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
      Getting low output...            01/01/70 00:00      
   get this in your head            01/01/70 00:00      
      Not so fast...            01/01/70 00:00      
         oh, how many designs have failed because            01/01/70 00:00      
            No, no, I have not said this            01/01/70 00:00      
            it depends on the source ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes,...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  There's a critical difference ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Of course, there is!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        whst do you refer to?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           This was in the '70's, before many restrictions            01/01/70 00:00      
                              caught by "legal relabeling".            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 That's not what I remember            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    continuing the story            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       The way it used to work ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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