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04/30/10 15:37
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 		 #175557 - Reply to Arun Kumar V
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Please do not get agitated by my previous post. My intention was to point out the importance of Safety.

Arun Kumar V said:

The abbreviation "Trafo" refers to "TransFormer" and i haven't invented it, its been used on all electronics forums worldwide and its a accepted abbreviation and complies to "Netiquette" if you don't want to accept it then you may not use the terms like SMPS, DC, AC in the replies and you'll have to refer to these terms as "Switching Mode Power Supply", "Direct Current" etc.

I heard that name "Trafo" for the first time...in my 20 years of my experience. So had a hard time to put the words togather. I have never heard this name on 8052.com, edaboard.com, 8051projects.com....since 2003. I accept, that I do not visit these sites daily, but atleast 2 times a week.

Arun Kumar V said:

Kiran said: Oh, so you want to Electricute someone, and then learn from it...Good.

I've been in the electronics field since 15 years and have reasonable understanding about safety issues, when was the last time you /your client/technician got electrocuted ? How many headlines appear daily in news paper mentioning deaths due to electrocution and compare it with death toll in road mishaps.

Oh...accidents like these do not appear in newspapers...they appear in law suits. And I have seen a medium range company gone down because of such an incident. This news did NOT appear in any newspaper. If you feel confident, then please go ahead with your design.
I learnt about Importance to safety on 8052.com. So I never ever compromised on safety of user, engineers, technicians,etc. Even if my product was costly than the others. I have lost customers for this reason. But I do not like to work with people who do not care for safety.

Arun Kumar V said:

so far in this forum no member has claimed that he has tried the direct Mains ZCD experiment with 8051/2, So how will one know its result unless he tries it. And do you mean to say that anybody who tries this out "will" definitely Die ?

I had already mentioned about an application note from Philips for LPC76x (it is of MCS51 family).

Arun Kumar V said:

Cost of an Opto is definitely an issue if one is producing volumes in thousands.

Yes, but what about safety ?

Ahhh.. I do remember some newspaper clippings (which I have read over the years) about people being electricuted by touching Electric toasters, Electric Iron, etc...Well, that was entirely the fault of the person who died. And the designer of the product is not to be blamed at all for such incidents. Strange isn't it ?




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External Interrupt on both Falling edge & rising edge            01/01/70 00:00      
   ABORT!, ABORT!, ABORT!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Better circuits exists            01/01/70 00:00      
      one more            01/01/70 00:00      
   DANGER!! Don't Try This At Home!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Its not just Atmel            01/01/70 00:00      
   interrupts on both edges            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thank you All            01/01/70 00:00      
         Read about external Gate for Timer            01/01/70 00:00      
            gate for timer            01/01/70 00:00      
               Jan, will you Shhhhh!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Great Idea !            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But i've used up INT0 and INT1 pins            01/01/70 00:00      
                     int0 is gate for timer0            01/01/70 00:00      
                     T1(T0) pin is not use here            01/01/70 00:00      
                        so only one Ext.int pin will do            01/01/70 00:00      
                           i think so            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I haven't tried it yet            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 is a Zener that costly?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 so try something safely            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That the most exhaustive reply i got so far !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You are wellcome            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Here's what i have done            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             simulation is partial            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I'll try writing a sample code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Dimmer            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      its a dimmer for commercial sale            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Dimmer            01/01/70 00:00      
   Its in my Profile            01/01/70 00:00      
      is 8051/2 I/O similar to Zilog Z8            01/01/70 00:00      
         Cease and Desist            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's DANGEROUS - It's not about the IOs!!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Either you are NOT listening...or you don't want to listen            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's worse than that!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Its like openning Pandora's box            01/01/70 00:00      
                  chip A != chip B != chip C            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Consider these points...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not a newbie to electronics            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What results do you really get from an experiment?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Reply to Arun Kumar V            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what if the result is death?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     very positive opinion            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Thanks for the pointer            01/01/70 00:00      
   A generic approach to dual edge detection            01/01/70 00:00      
      Here is the method I have been using...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Oh Noes!!!!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      4 -> 10 nsec Pulse Does Not Work for MCU            01/01/70 00:00      
         No additional logic gates            01/01/70 00:00      
         Modifying design            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yeah But...            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you say so            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Poppycock            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why you should not do this...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Galvanic isolation            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can't we use single AC optocoupler            01/01/70 00:00      
            not 1,8V            01/01/70 00:00      
            can be wrong circuit below            01/01/70 00:00      
               Critical again...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  varistor?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            You can do a lot of things...            01/01/70 00:00      
               25V is too coarse            01/01/70 00:00      
                  use tha appnote I gave you the link to            01/01/70 00:00      
                  25V is not bad            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You still don't know what my product is?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Its O.K - this thread has crossed 65 replies            01/01/70 00:00      
                              npn            01/01/70 00:00      
                        no, I do not know what your product is            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Answers            01/01/70 00:00      
                              OK, then            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No headphones            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Then take a better opto!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     he wants to build a Yogo, not a Mercedes            01/01/70 00:00      
                        which makes the lamp flicker when the fridge turns-off            01/01/70 00:00      
                           it (probably) does that anyhow            01/01/70 00:00      
                              No body wants to buy a Mercedez            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What do you expect??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    What is there to be ashamed of ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Thread began with ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Dead Horse is Alive and Kicking            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             obviously a comparator is a better solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Oh My God...you having sleepless nights???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Then share it with us...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             to Arun PLEASE get ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 what did you expect            01/01/70 00:00      

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