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04/22/09 09:54
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#164780 - Bing makes design decisions first, then creates the threads
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I think you mean the same thing: A Ferrari F1 car is excellent for the race track (but maybe not just this season) but will make a lousy shopping car. A Smart is much better suited for picking up some groceries, while keeping down the fuel costs and saving a lot of time when finding a parking spot.

An 8051 chip would probably be quite hard-pressed to handle the load of a real 3G module. Not only should it be able to send or receive 100-300kB or more every second. It must also have the RAM space for the storage, and the processing capacity to generate the outgoing data, or process the incomming data.

The next thing is that networking requires a stack. A number of nice, cheap GPRS modems have a built-in stack where you use simple AT commands to open a TCP connection and send/receive data. Some of them even has an AT layer for simulating ftp or similar. This will save a lot of cost for a TCP/IP stack, the learning time how to use the stack, and the RAM requirements needed for the stack. It will not be suitable for a high-end solution, but then again: No sane human would try to develop a high-end networking solution with an 8051 chip when ARM chips can be had for the same cost. Besides - the module will probably already contain an ARM chip way more powerful than the 8051 chip on the outside.

But Bing has a history of quickly deciding on a solution, even when there are other alternatives much better suited for the problem. It is a question of: "How do I use this module for something it isn't suited for" instead of "Anyone who can recommend a good solution for solving xx" or "Anyone have any opinions of problems or advantages with using xx for solving yy". Bing has already made his design decisions before starting the threads...

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TopicAuthorDate
How do I interface a usb hsdpa modem?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Needs a USB Host            01/01/70 00:00      
      I agree with Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
         UART on the way out            01/01/70 00:00      
         USB Hsdpa Modem is what I have            01/01/70 00:00      
            Irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hidden costs            01/01/70 00:00      
   USB for highspeed            01/01/70 00:00      
      Still needs a host            01/01/70 00:00      
         Follow            01/01/70 00:00      
            Vinculum (VNC1)            01/01/70 00:00      
            USB 3G Modems            01/01/70 00:00      
      Bigger processor core needed for USB host            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: USB Wireless modem is cheaper            01/01/70 00:00      
            Same same            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not just for USB host            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Winmodem/Winprinter...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  GSM WinModem/Softmodem?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Not quite - more of the same!            01/01/70 00:00      
               And an IP Stack?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What is your expected production volume            01/01/70 00:00      
   PL2303            01/01/70 00:00      
      You still haven't said what the "problem" actually is!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Typo - PL203            01/01/70 00:00      
      You dont get the point do you            01/01/70 00:00      
   Vinculum VNC1L USB Host DIP Module            01/01/70 00:00      
   Vinculum VNC1L USB Host DIP Module            01/01/70 00:00      
      this seems to be the right solution            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can be problem to connect and use USB modems            01/01/70 00:00      
            the trick is            01/01/70 00:00      
               Easy for RS232            01/01/70 00:00      
         ZTE MF622            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: ZTE MF622            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, thats the one            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I already developed a vb program            01/01/70 00:00      
                     geez man, you are very good!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        hsdpa is very cheap            01/01/70 00:00      
                           yes i am sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                              The running costs - not the hardware cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Check tariff carefully!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    it's very cheap here in india            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       0.025 cent?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Wow!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          sometimes happen            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I am planning to use other mcus            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                well done...very high tech            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   8052 is what i am goining to use            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Saving money by spending money            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Which ARM Chips is that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Parametric search            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               There is no USB Host Option            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Have you used the parametric search yet?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     ds89c430 or AT91RM9200?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Too wide question            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           USB OTH -> USB OTG            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  RE: there is only USART option            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Makes no sense            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: lot of other apps            01/01/70 00:00      
                     relies totally upon having a PC with Windows            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A number of USB modules with naughty tricks            01/01/70 00:00      
               Using Ferarri for race            01/01/70 00:00      
                  actually            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bing makes design decisions first, then creates the threads            01/01/70 00:00      
                        firmwre documentattion link            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That's not what you need!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              something with powerfull            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Still useless without the necessary documentation!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Nice Metaphors            01/01/70 00:00      

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