| ??? 03/28/09 22:40 Read: times |
#163935 - Once more you focus on bowing and other nonsense Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Please stop being ridiculous. I don't know what you are dreaming about, but you have obviously failed to understand a lot of this discussion.
Kai Klaas said:
...of original poster, usually, we should not lay down too many rules, like "first do this and then do that". A yes, why first check if the hardware works before trying to get the scrolling to work? Debugging the software before the hardware really sounds like good advice... Kai Klaas said:
[...] without forcing the original poster to take bows and without offending and humiliating him. No request anywhere to have the poster bow. Just a request to give some feedback about any progress or where he is stuck. If you read that as "have the poster bow", then I hope this is because a language barrier somewhere. Kai Klaas said:
Leave it to the orginal poster what he can take to learn or to finish his project. I still haven't heard your view on school work, and what is proper help. What would you have thought proper help when you was in school? Someone taking the tests instead of you? In this case you are extrapolating your own problems getting help learning electronics into completely different situations. Kai Klaas said:
Now I hear again the many old seniors who see the Christian Western civilization fall, only because a newbie receives a bit help, which can only be a drop in the ocean, anyway. You do like extrapolations, and extremes. How about just settle for ethics, instead of talking about civilizations? You have done similar extreme extrapolations earlier. Kai Klaas said:
Leave it to original poster whether he want to learn. He is invited to ask intelligent questions, to go into full detail, to follow our procedures, and and and. But, please, don't insult him, if he does not feel this urge or if he just can't do it because of lack of knowledge or mental ability. I have not intentionally insulted the OP. Do you have any example? Kai Klaas said:
If he does not participate in a way we would appreciate, don't turn this forum into a place of negativismn by focusing too much on the attitude and manner of original poster. Hey, we have ourselves and the silent keeping members who can turn this place into something good and positive. He is of course free to ignore given suggestions. But we are free to make them. And one suggestion we are free to make is that help is a two-way street, and that we can't improve our help unless we get information where he is stuck. Kai Klaas said:
Let me tell you something. There are teachers today giving homework, who want the student to adopt and modify a ready solution from the web or a book or a magazin But doesn't "modify" imply some form of work? Copying another ready solution instead doesn't sound like modifying... Kai Klaas said:
Situation has changed today. For us, who are a bit older, we had to accomplish our projects without any support. But we had less to learn then the guys today. In our globalized world the knowledge has exploded. We get more and more thrown in at the deep end, by our jobs, our bosses. We have less and less time to finsih our projects. We cannot longer do the entire development from scratch by our own, hidden in the laboratory, but we have to play in a team, accept and adopt the work of our colleagues. We have to find solutions by adopting others people work. And this faster and more proper than our competitors. Yes, the amount to learn increases with time. But you don't build the fifth floor until you already have the previous floors built. You die if you you just walk around on the fifth floor and there suddenly is a hole all the way down to the basement. But we can of course be helpful and say: "Mind the floor" or "watch the hole". Somehow you don't like that. Because there is this chance that the OP may learn something? Kai Klaas said:
If I give help and see a lazy newbie dishonouring the "good deed", I'm not angered of it, but feel happy because of the many silent staying members and newbies who also profit from it. From time to time I get a warm feedback from one of these members... Why do you assume that other people are angered then? This debate has not anything to do with being angered or requesting good feedback or similar to do. It is a question of posting information "why" things work instead of jumping at magic solutions that don't work in real life and can't be made to work unless the person already had the knowledge to make the solution in the first place. You are giving a member a broken engine, somehow expecting him to be happy. But the problem is that the receiver can't even see that the engine is broken, and even less see how to fix it. Why not instead tell him how he can get the engine he already owns in working order? Telling him about how to check if the ignition system works. How to check if the fuel pump does supply fuel. Kai Klaas said:
Open your hearts and just give without expecting to receive anything! Open your eyes and realize that this debauge is not about expected returns! It is about your own incorrect assumptions being repeated a large number of times. How do I say this: This is NOT about expected returns. Not about getting a golden star somewhere. Not about expecting the OP to bow or say thanks. Expecting gratitude or the OP bows is a delusion you have somehow come up with in your head. Don't spend too much time continuing that debate because you are totally climbing the wrong tree. Most of this thread is probably more useful for other people than the OP. But that is totally irrelevant. The only thing relevant is that you don't give someone a loaded gun before teaching them basic gun handling and safety practices. Google is best for copy-paste raids. What a forum can do, is to adapt presented information based on feedback. That is the strength of a forum. Why are you so against that concept? |
