...of original poster, usually, we should not lay down too many rules, like "first do this and then do that". I plead with all members to enter a free and fair discussion instead of giving lessons, without forcing the original poster to take bows and without offending and humiliating him. Leave it to the orginal poster what he can take to learn or to finish his project.

Now I hear again the many old seniors who see the Christian Western civilization fall, only because a newbie receives a bit help, which can only be a drop in the ocean, anyway. So, what? Leave it to original poster whether he wants to learn. He is invited to ask intelligent questions, to go into full detail, to follow our procedures, and and and. But, please, don't insult him, if he does not feel this urge or if he just can't do it because of lack of knowledge or mental ability. If he does not participate in the way we would appreciate, don't turn this forum into a place of negativismn by focusing too much on the attitude and manner of original poster. Hey, we have ourselves and the silent keeping members who can turn this place into something good and positive.

Let me tell you something. There are teachers giving homework, today, who want the student to adopt and modify a ready solution from the web or a book or a magazin. How that? Well, situation has changed today. Many of us, who are a bit older, had to accomplish our projects without any support. But we had less to learn than the guys today. In our globalized world the knowledge has exploded. We are more and more thrown in at the deep end, by our jobs, our bosses. We have less and less time to finsih our projects. We cannot longer do the entire development from scratch by our own, hidden in the laboratory, but we have to play in a team, accept and adopt the work of our colleagues. We have to find solutions by adopting others people work. And this faster and more proper than our competitors.



Of course, of course, but that's not the only way to learn. Sometimes, you just must jump into it and learn the basics in a bit more complex way, by following an sophisticated example or understanding a ready solution. Then, you cannot understand everything at a time. Yes, you even cannot learn everything at a time, but must endure the feeling of being untaught, nevertheless possibly being forced to find a solution...

If I give help and see a lazy newbie dishonouring the "good deed", I'm not angered of it, but feel happy because of the many silent staying members and newbies who also profit from it. From time to time I get a warm feedback from one of these members...

Open your hearts and just give without expecting to receive anything!

Kai