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09/15/12 15:59
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#188339 - I don't follow ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I'm not sure what you mean with your "U" and "O" tracks, but I'd point out that the limitation on precision is imposed by the size of the probes. The size is limited by the fact that accidents could cause injury if the probes are very small, even if the pressure is quite limited.

Optical means can measure surface contours under zero pressure quite accurately, but don't do so well once some deflection occurs.

It's quite important to know not only where the hard areas are, but also how soft the soft areas are, as when they're very soft, they move about quite readily, and that affects the relative accuracy of foot placement, in the case of a below-knee leg prosthesis. If the soft tissue is allowed to move about too freely, one can't rely on where the footfall will occur. A very small movement within the socket can have quite large impact on relative position of the heel.

One other limitation that has to be considered is that the process is not instantaneous. Dimensional changes in the stump due to swelling, which can be quite rapid, has to be taken into consideration, so getting it done quickly is quite essential.

When I said the spacing of the probes it to be on the order of 2 mm, I donsidered that an absolute minimum. I'm persuaded, first by manufacturing constraints, and secondly by limitations on incremental benefit of proximity beyond half-a-centimeter, that it should be in the region of 50 mm. For a proof of concept, I'd even consider 1 cm, which is on the somewhat more than 3/8-inch.

I would not consider moving the probe set while pressure is applied, due to the risk of tearing skin.

I'm not sure whether it's more important to measure the probes' deflection concurrently or one-at-a-time. I'm also not sure whether it's more beneficial to measure the probes on a horizontal plane or a vertical one. Both have potential benefit. I'm not even certain that it would be better to use one probe or many.

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How would you do this?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I have no idea if this would work, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
      How would one actuate them?            01/01/70 00:00      
   strain guage            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, you might be onto something.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Computer-controlled?            01/01/70 00:00      
            computer controlled            01/01/70 00:00      
               Calibration + redundant force-limitation            01/01/70 00:00      
               Interesting problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, it seemed coarse, at first.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Precision is cheap ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't follow ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                           Precision            01/01/70 00:00      
                              other considerations            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tomographic imaging?            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's one major problem ... maybe two ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               $100 MRI unit            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not sure ...             01/01/70 00:00      
         Voice coil and LVDT?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not having a lot of experience with this sort of stuff ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Danger/problems with hydraulic since no spring effect            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A few things puzzle me with this approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ultra Sound Probing            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ultra-sound is better for measuring surface or sub-surface            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would not use volumetric imaging            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm not sure what you mean            01/01/70 00:00      
         another thought            01/01/70 00:00      
            I consider that one of the more "pregnant" approaches            01/01/70 00:00      
               Lots of options available            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You've got to consider cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost/safety            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost target?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The price target comes from a few prosthetists            01/01/70 00:00      
   comercial CMM            01/01/70 00:00      
      This only received cursory examination             01/01/70 00:00      
         pneumatic actuator            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes ... but what would this cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
               100 rods?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Patient size ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That's what I'm considering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     AAACK! ... another double post ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's not as big as you think!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     90% coverage            01/01/70 00:00      
                        So maybe vacuum pump for the too fat people            01/01/70 00:00      
   I do not know if this is relevant, but            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'll have to look into this.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Single air pressure sensor sensor for tip force guestimate            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about infrared?            01/01/70 00:00      
      How would you do this so it would retail for under $5k            01/01/70 00:00      

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