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09/13/12 17:05
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#188318 - I would not use volumetric imaging
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Let's take a step back from defining a specific type of imaging technology and look at the problem a little more closely to see which imaging technology might be best suited to fit this problem.

The idea is that you want to know the complex 3D surface of an appendage that is organic so that this can be mapped. Once this is a known surface, a force per unit area is applied so that the appendage deflects. The deflection needs to be a measured so that different areas of the appendage can be assessed for generation of a prosthesis.

This problem can be done through a volumetric examination, but I believe that would be overkill. Volumetric examinations would include ultrasound, CT, or MRI, for example. Ultrasound would be the most practical to get the 3D surface trhough an immersion technique. Surface imaging would be a lot cleaner solution. Surface imaging techniques would involve a 3D laser scanner or machine vision.

Probes could be made with a spring that followed a K constant and the probe could also have a linear potentiometer to measure resistance to know the deflection, but the probe may not have to include the resistance if the surface scanner can also see the deflection in the probes.

Once the data is collected, the biggest problem is what to do with the data. The most complex way of handling the data that will give the most desireable results will involve reversing a Finite Element Analysis. With FEA most people want to see what the deflection is based on material properties and force applied. In this case, you know the deflection and force properties, but lack the material propeties. Pseudo material properties may be able to be solved that allow a perfect fit.

A less complex method would be to take multiple data points involving different pressures and then plotting the deflection in a 3D with a color map.

How a prosthesis is born utilizing this information is ouside my realm.

Just my two cents.

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How would you do this?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I have no idea if this would work, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
      How would one actuate them?            01/01/70 00:00      
   strain guage            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, you might be onto something.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Computer-controlled?            01/01/70 00:00      
            computer controlled            01/01/70 00:00      
               Calibration + redundant force-limitation            01/01/70 00:00      
               Interesting problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, it seemed coarse, at first.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Precision is cheap ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't follow ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                           Precision            01/01/70 00:00      
                              other considerations            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tomographic imaging?            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's one major problem ... maybe two ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               $100 MRI unit            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not sure ...             01/01/70 00:00      
         Voice coil and LVDT?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not having a lot of experience with this sort of stuff ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Danger/problems with hydraulic since no spring effect            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A few things puzzle me with this approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ultra Sound Probing            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ultra-sound is better for measuring surface or sub-surface            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would not use volumetric imaging            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm not sure what you mean            01/01/70 00:00      
         another thought            01/01/70 00:00      
            I consider that one of the more "pregnant" approaches            01/01/70 00:00      
               Lots of options available            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You've got to consider cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost/safety            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost target?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The price target comes from a few prosthetists            01/01/70 00:00      
   comercial CMM            01/01/70 00:00      
      This only received cursory examination             01/01/70 00:00      
         pneumatic actuator            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes ... but what would this cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
               100 rods?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Patient size ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That's what I'm considering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     AAACK! ... another double post ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's not as big as you think!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     90% coverage            01/01/70 00:00      
                        So maybe vacuum pump for the too fat people            01/01/70 00:00      
   I do not know if this is relevant, but            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'll have to look into this.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Single air pressure sensor sensor for tip force guestimate            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about infrared?            01/01/70 00:00      
      How would you do this so it would retail for under $5k            01/01/70 00:00      

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