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09/12/12 15:57
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#188312 - I'm not sure ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
It all depends on whether what's needed is a quantitative assessment of backpressure, or just a qualitative one.

I've seen a number of ways in which below-knee prostheses are fitted, as that's what I have worn for the past 40 years, but it's always in the realm of "art/black-magic" as far as I can tell, as the experience and skill of the prosthetist is a major factor in the outcome. I've discussed this with one or two of these guys, and they seem to feel it's really important to know where the hard regions are, and where the transition regions are, and even which areas are predominantly soft and therefore moveable tissue. That soft tissue, BTW, often contains water which, when the device is worn, can be worked out, thereby affecting the security of the fit. That fit affects the precision with which one can control and rely on the footfall while walking. As the fluid in the stump is reduced by activity, the fit suffers, unless there's really good registration between the socket and the hard portions of the stump.

After several decades, the hard areas on my own stump are just skin covering bone. Shortly after amputation, that's not the case, though some prominent hard areas are already well defined. As the amputee ages post-op, the muscle can atrophy, becoming reduced in volume and more "flabby", making its location critical as opposed to those hard areas, as excessive movement can easily cause blistering.

I'm not sure how much useful information can be extracted from MRI or ultrasound records, particularly in view of the fact that incremental swelling occurs, at least in my case, as soon as the prosthesis is removed. This increases as time passes. I know it sometimes helps with fit if the amputee wraps the stump in an "ACE" bandage as the fit procedure progresses. Investigation of what quantitative information and qualitative information can be extracted from those examinations, but I do wonder how the data can be interpreted without involving specialized medical personnel.

Cost is a factor, after all, as some of us pay for some of our own prosthetic work.

I'm still aghast at the amount the MRI costs here in the U.S. That's probably not because of the hardware, but because of the specialized personnel required to interpret the resulting images.

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How would you do this?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I have no idea if this would work, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
      How would one actuate them?            01/01/70 00:00      
   strain guage            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, you might be onto something.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Computer-controlled?            01/01/70 00:00      
            computer controlled            01/01/70 00:00      
               Calibration + redundant force-limitation            01/01/70 00:00      
               Interesting problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, it seemed coarse, at first.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Precision is cheap ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I don't follow ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                           Precision            01/01/70 00:00      
                              other considerations            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tomographic imaging?            01/01/70 00:00      
            There's one major problem ... maybe two ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               $100 MRI unit            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm not sure ...             01/01/70 00:00      
         Voice coil and LVDT?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not having a lot of experience with this sort of stuff ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Danger/problems with hydraulic since no spring effect            01/01/70 00:00      
                  A few things puzzle me with this approach            01/01/70 00:00      
   Ultra Sound Probing            01/01/70 00:00      
      Ultra-sound is better for measuring surface or sub-surface            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would not use volumetric imaging            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm not sure what you mean            01/01/70 00:00      
         another thought            01/01/70 00:00      
            I consider that one of the more "pregnant" approaches            01/01/70 00:00      
               Lots of options available            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You've got to consider cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost/safety            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost target?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The price target comes from a few prosthetists            01/01/70 00:00      
   comercial CMM            01/01/70 00:00      
      This only received cursory examination             01/01/70 00:00      
         pneumatic actuator            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes ... but what would this cost?            01/01/70 00:00      
               100 rods?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Patient size ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That's what I'm considering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     AAACK! ... another double post ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's not as big as you think!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     90% coverage            01/01/70 00:00      
                        So maybe vacuum pump for the too fat people            01/01/70 00:00      
   I do not know if this is relevant, but            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'll have to look into this.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Single air pressure sensor sensor for tip force guestimate            01/01/70 00:00      
   What about infrared?            01/01/70 00:00      
      How would you do this so it would retail for under $5k            01/01/70 00:00      

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