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06/22/12 14:41
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#187817 - Follow up on prototype board shops
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Hello everyone,

I ran into a problem making my own boards. I was forced to redesign the system with 4-layer boards, and in order to accomplish that I developed and built a lamination press. Done, it works beautifully. I can now make multilayer (>2) boards. The problem is that I have now exceeded the reliability limits of using conductive epoxy to make my through holes and vias conductive. Having just spent many weeks (> 3 months) developing the lamination press, I didn't want to put my project on hold while I develop electroplating capabilities.

So I decided to go ahead and use one of these board shops to have this set of boards made.

I contacted Spirit Circuits about their Go-Naked service. They never responded during the whole time I was redesigning the boards (I had to replace three parts that have gone obsolete, and I combined two boards to reduce the total board count from 5 down to 4). Once I finished the redesign I went ahead and sent them the Gerber data. This time they responded, but only to say "Sorry. Your boards are not suited to this service." When I emailed them back asking why, thinking maybe I could change something to make them "suited," Spirit Circuits once again resoundingly ignored me.

Strike One!

I then went to PCBNet. They offer 4-layer boards for $50. But only the first board for new customers. The bottom line is that all four of my boards would have cost $1,100.

I tried a couple of other shops. One would do all of my boards for only $50 each, but I had to buy five copies of each. Bottom line, $1,000. Another offered to make them for only $35, if I ordered 10 of each - $1,400.

At the end of the day, Spirit Circuits were unwilling to even communicate with me, and while everyone else was all to happy to tell me they would give me a great deal, none of them was willing to actually deliver for less than a thousand dollars.

I have since built and tested a reverse pulse plating controller and am in the process of setting up an electroplating system.

Joe

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      We looked at buying one of those            01/01/70 00:00      
         Me Either!            01/01/70 00:00      
            We use a variety            01/01/70 00:00      
               do not be lazy,Mr.Smith            01/01/70 00:00      
               prototype cost and turnaround            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'll find the ads            01/01/70 00:00      
                     googled            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ebay deal            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What about this one then...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Follow up on prototype board shops            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 international pcb houses            01/01/70 00:00      
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                     Z ref            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        Z axis reference            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                       Is That...            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                          This:            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             very cool!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Funnel            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Funnel !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Lawyer or Solicitor - Not ! !            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      RIght            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    vacuum pick and place tool            01/01/70 00:00      
            90 degrees bits            01/01/70 00:00      
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