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10/23/09 17:29
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#170015 - It's tradeoff ... quality vs. quantity
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Per Westermark said:
Andy Neil said:
Current search engine technology is just dumb text matching - it has no concept of meaning, classification, etc...

The sites who do manage enough moderator time to structure their information tends to gain a lot of visitors because of the perceived quality of the information.

The big problem is: who should donate the time? Next thing is that it can in some situations be hard to both moderate a forum, as in ending fights, and in activelly help with questions, so it isn't so easy to upgrade a number of regulars to moderators to get the required capacity to administrate/sort/rearange forum threads.


Yes, it requires more moderation effort, and yes, it might require that additional personnel be involved in some way, e.g. assigning categories, denying posts until an appropriate topic is assigned, refusing posting until a proper search has been performed, etc.

How, exactly, to do this is not so simple. The search verification can be done by automatically perhaps by inserting a daily token into every search, but, perhaps, not explaining to the world just exactly how this is managed, and then requiring a token list in order to enable the post. The other two really do require human action. The quality and extent of such action would have to be worked out, but if the site search is to be genuinely useful, it has to have a relevant topic, and it has to be determined whether that topic and/or others are to be included, since threads do often wander from topic to topic, no matter how often the participants are exhorted to remain "on-topic."

These are matters common to all "discussion group" websites and, also, to newsgroup discussions. Surely there's some "prior art" that can be used as a point of reference. I'm persuaded that confining the subject matter of the "8052" forum to matters that directly involve the 805x-core MCU's and placing PIC, AVR, ARM, PC, and, in general, other-core topics to the "CHAT" or some other forum, would help quite a bit.

Now, I believe that it's unhelpful to a newbie who's been assigned to interface some "widget" to an 805x-core MCU by means of an 8255 to post an example of how it's done with an 8080, or, for that matter, a PIC. It's also unhelpful to the newbie to argue, repeatedly, that the 8255 is not an appropriate vehicle for his task, no matter how true that may be. After all, he didn't assign it. He's just supposed to figure out how to do it. He probably doesn't even have to perform the physical work, or, perhaps, he has merely to produce code to do the job on an existing board available in his lab. Likewise, I find it unhelpful to criticize the hobbyist who has, at his disposal, a specific selection of components, that he use different ones when that's not the approach about which he requested help. In such cases, I believe the first thing presented should be a relevant answer directed specifically at his question, and, only after that's been presented should an alternative path be recommended. It should be up to the O/P to make a decision based on his own decision variables, and not on what someone else believes should be the basis for that decision. There are, after all, people who want to build a one-off, and want to do it with what they've already got, or what the supplier down the street has in local stock.

If it's the intent of the owner(s)/moderator(s) of this site to be more generally helpful to 805x-core users, at whatever skill level they arrive, then this sort of thing must be considered. In the last analysis, however, it's their choice, and not ours.

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Would separate Hard/Firm/Soft-ware sections help?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Perhaps we should revisit this notion            01/01/70 00:00      
      problems with the development tools            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's not what I meant ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      What is firmware and hardware before you have started?            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not so sure it's that narrow ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Shades of gray            01/01/70 00:00      
               It's an analog world ... that means shades of grey            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But a large number of posters will guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Haven't you heard that saying ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Looking for lights            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Where you sit determines what you see            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Richard in grumpy mode            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I know why...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I doubt that's the case.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You make a big mistake!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Show examples            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Oh Per, you are so self-satisfied...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Show examples. Tell what we can do different. Don't invent.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Per, somehow I think,...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    can't be both            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I don't think so!            01/01/70 00:00      
   NO            01/01/70 00:00      
   No            01/01/70 00:00      
      apparently too "week" to afford a spell/syntax checker            01/01/70 00:00      
   hardware or software?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Neither, Either, or Both            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's not the precision of the category, but the thought            01/01/70 00:00      
   It might be an idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Then again            01/01/70 00:00      
   CPLD/FPGA, etc            01/01/70 00:00      
      The boundaries are blurring, aren't they?            01/01/70 00:00      
         That one's been blurred for many years!            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's not the point ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Unfortunately not            01/01/70 00:00      
                  hitting the nail on the head            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Follows from volume and knowledge            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well, maybe a pre-post examination is needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe quite meaningful after all.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ask yourself, "Whom are we trying to help?"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Already have            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's unfortunately true!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This is a problem with the Internet as a whole            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Indexed info is good, but costs time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's tradeoff ... quality vs. quantity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Many posters looks for solutions to the wrong problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not 'normally' but 'always'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Isn't that the best way to learn?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Definitely not!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                referring to responses you made in the past            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Ehm, do you really think...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   not exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      so YOU know what is 'realistic'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Depends            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Your point is certainly valid            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another problem in forums that have multiple areas            01/01/70 00:00      
      Is that a problem in a moderated forum?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Amount of moderator work            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe, but we could let YOU do the work            01/01/70 00:00      
               be real            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Quality tends to drop with time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I agree ... it would "lose its luster" over time            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's the catch            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe it's not such a big "catch"            01/01/70 00:00      

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