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10/16/09 14:59
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 		 #169791 - problems with the development tools
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Andy Neil said:
Real life just doesn't divide cleanly like that - with clear, black-and-white dividing lines between "hardware" and "firmware" and "software" (however you define those terms).


Richard Erlacher said:
It's no problem differentiating between problems with the development tools and the other two categories.

That may be true in many cases.

However, the problem itself may not be with the development tools - but the application of some specific feature(s) of the development tools may provide a solution to the hard/firm-ware problem.

I think there would be just too many "overlap" cases where it wouldn't so clear whether it's "hardware" or "firmware" - the very nature of "firmware" is, after all, that it's close to the hardware..

If it's listed as a firmware problem, it should included a code listing.

Sure - be the listing may be meaningless without the schematic!

eg, a lot of new posters think they have a firmware problem because their LED won't blink - when it's really a hardware problem because they've connected the LED wrong!

I know that's a trivial example, but I've had cases where I've been convinced it was one, and it turned out to be the other!

List of 64 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Would separate Hard/Firm/Soft-ware sections help?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Perhaps we should revisit this notion            01/01/70 00:00      
      problems with the development tools            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's not what I meant ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      What is firmware and hardware before you have started?            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not so sure it's that narrow ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Shades of gray            01/01/70 00:00      
               It's an analog world ... that means shades of grey            01/01/70 00:00      
                  But a large number of posters will guess            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Haven't you heard that saying ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Looking for lights            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Where you sit determines what you see            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Richard in grumpy mode            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I know why...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I doubt that's the case.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       You make a big mistake!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Show examples            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Oh Per, you are so self-satisfied...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Show examples. Tell what we can do different. Don't invent.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Per, somehow I think,...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    can't be both            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I don't think so!            01/01/70 00:00      
   NO            01/01/70 00:00      
   No            01/01/70 00:00      
      apparently too "week" to afford a spell/syntax checker            01/01/70 00:00      
   hardware or software?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Neither, Either, or Both            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's not the precision of the category, but the thought            01/01/70 00:00      
   It might be an idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Then again            01/01/70 00:00      
   CPLD/FPGA, etc            01/01/70 00:00      
      The boundaries are blurring, aren't they?            01/01/70 00:00      
         That one's been blurred for many years!            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's not the point ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Unfortunately not            01/01/70 00:00      
                  hitting the nail on the head            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Follows from volume and knowledge            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well, maybe a pre-post examination is needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe quite meaningful after all.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Ask yourself, "Whom are we trying to help?"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Already have            01/01/70 00:00      
                              That's unfortunately true!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This is a problem with the Internet as a whole            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Indexed info is good, but costs time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's tradeoff ... quality vs. quantity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Many posters looks for solutions to the wrong problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not 'normally' but 'always'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Isn't that the best way to learn?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Definitely not!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                referring to responses you made in the past            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Ehm, do you really think...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   not exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      so YOU know what is 'realistic'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Depends            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Your point is certainly valid            01/01/70 00:00      
   Another problem in forums that have multiple areas            01/01/70 00:00      
      Is that a problem in a moderated forum?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Amount of moderator work            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe, but we could let YOU do the work            01/01/70 00:00      
               be real            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Quality tends to drop with time            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I agree ... it would "lose its luster" over time            01/01/70 00:00      
         That's the catch            01/01/70 00:00      
            Maybe it's not such a big "catch"            01/01/70 00:00      

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