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03/31/07 06:36
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#136275 - Sustainability?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Patrick De Groote said:
However, knowing our social security system here I wouldn't want to trade for any other less "secure" system. I get decent health insurance, decent payment when unemployed and a rather stable society.


Is it sustainable? I'm really asking the question because I don't know. Is your system solvent over the long term? Our attempt at social security will go bankrupt within decades. I consider social security just a tax that I will never recoup. The system will be bankrupt long before I am scheduled to get anything out of it. That makes my effective tax rate something like 43%, I believe.

And I never forget what my father once said:
"people paying a lot of taxes also earn a lot of money... So I don't mind paying a lot of taxes".


I'll grant you that that's a very positive way of looking at it. But when I have to write a check to the government for tens of thousands of dollars, I tend to wonder what I'm getting back. Not a whole lot other than roads and security--and that should cost a lot less than what I'm paying. I'm sure someone else is enjoying my money, though. But if they're using it to buy beer or are getting free health care that I personally have to pay for or are getting retirement benefits that I will never get myself, that does not seem inherently fair to me. Even if I might be earning "a lot of money," that doesn't provide any moral justification for me funding someone else's life.

Regards,
Craig Steiner


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Circuit City lays off 3400. Hires them back cheap.            01/01/70 00:00      
   it's not "the computer industry"            01/01/70 00:00      
      interesting...            01/01/70 00:00      
         amongst a lot of other stuff            01/01/70 00:00      
   Well, that's a good way...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Never mind the workforce.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Computers, not.            01/01/70 00:00      
      American Pride....            01/01/70 00:00      
         True but            01/01/70 00:00      
            I dont think so.....            01/01/70 00:00      
               Try this...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  to Robert Revens            01/01/70 00:00      
                  to Robert Revens (also)            01/01/70 00:00      
               Things kids did (and engineers, too).            01/01/70 00:00      
                  unintended side effects            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Hmmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bored teenagers            01/01/70 00:00      
                     real life            01/01/70 00:00      
                        My first bomb            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ah            01/01/70 00:00      
                  real-life skills?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     a quote            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, of course.            01/01/70 00:00      
   just struck me            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Right            01/01/70 00:00      
            True up to a point, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Employers resoposibility.....            01/01/70 00:00      
               well            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Agreed, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     True            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Doesn't work in large firms            01/01/70 00:00      
               Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Risk            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Already compensated            01/01/70 00:00      
               Employee\'s responsibility            01/01/70 00:00      
         continuing what Joe said            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nonono.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Circuit City took the lazy way out?            01/01/70 00:00      
      the same here            01/01/70 00:00      
         The future of Circuit City            01/01/70 00:00      
      And what is the unemployment rate in ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         unemployment            01/01/70 00:00      
            Infant Mortality            01/01/70 00:00      
               Stats            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Tabliod Truth            01/01/70 00:00      
                     NHS            01/01/70 00:00      
               Maybe it's because of too much, not too little            01/01/70 00:00      
            Real unemployment            01/01/70 00:00      
            Perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
               Altrusim            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No            01/01/70 00:00      
               taxes            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Sustainability?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I have no idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Sure, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Actually ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              For awhle...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  this sounds like the Denmark I left ages ago            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Too much state            01/01/70 00:00      

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