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03/19/07 21:25
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#135329 - a diffgerent tone
Responding to: ???'s previous message
first you post .. KEIL. If you were looking for bugs
I reply:
I am not "looking for bugs" in a tool I pay dearly for, but can guarantee you that, if I find one, there is great noise.
now you state
Nobody expects you to exert any effort in the direction of fixing KEIL's screwups

so when I ask you "do you REALLY think I WASTE my time on looking for bugs" and you have no counterargument, you switch to me spending time fixing them.

GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER it does no work to do the great switcheroo on me so I repeat:
If you expect me to "cease designing stuff we can sell, in order to work the compiler to find bugs" you must be, at least, 40% more stupid than a hole in the ground. What is there in that sentence about FIXING bugs?

nor does anyone with any sense expect them to fix it
thanks a lot for not considering me part of 'anyone' (what am I then?) I would raise bloody hell if I found a bug affecting me and it did not get fixed ASAP

However, it's not right to imply that there aren't any bugs just because you haven't seen them yourself.
did you not, a while ago argue with absolutisms stating that "there is no problem using an 8255 for this and that purpose" ? which you, yourself had never done.

You're a shill because, whenever anyone suggests that KEIL is too costly, you immediately jump them for being too cheap. You don't say, "It might actually be worth that much..." or the like, but you immediately accuse them of being cheap.
I do consider it worth that much no 'might' about it

You're a shill because you quickly jump anyone who advocates for another compiler, with a comment like, "well, if you were using KEIL, you'd have no problems."
so, now stating the truth is being 'shill'

You're a shill because you say, "You should use KEIL ..." when you probably should limit your comment to, "I use and like KEIL's product, and here's why ..."
so when I say what I mean "You should use KEIL", I should not say so, but LIE?

If you always echo their party-line, then you're a shill. Check the definition.
in my previous post I gave you 3 examples of not "echoing their party-line" how many 'examples' does it take to get it through your thick skull that I do not "echo their party-line".

I don't use it because (a) I don't like using HLL's for MCU's, and (b) because of the experience I've had with them. It's a limited experience, but I'm not interested in repeating it.
a) so because "you don't like using HLL's for MCU's" ANY tool is too expensive for those that do. Another of the "if you do not do as Richard, you are wrong". b) Give me a compiler manufacturer (or some other company) where 1st and 2nd support line knows much more than reading the manual.

One other thing ... I don't expect anything in KEIL's C-51 compiler to be improved now that ARM, which would benefit from the nonexistence of the PIC, 68HC-whatever, or 805x and derivatives, owns it.
well, the last release had additions, so whatever the eternal pessimist thinks, nothing such has happened.

Erik

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TopicAuthorDate
Unbelieveable nonsence            01/01/70 00:00      
   I don't know ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      my understanding of \"things that have to work\"...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tests, reviews and such.            01/01/70 00:00      
            rules? What rules?            01/01/70 00:00      
               sounds like assembler to me            01/01/70 00:00      
                  naaaah            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                     OK, but this is a particular application...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        valid only for cheaspskates and stressers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I stumbled across a compiler bug, once.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              so did I            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Were you looking for bugs?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              HUH            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It\'s not that you should look. That is THEIR job!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    a diffgerent tone            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Erik, you need to learn to read ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          mustard            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Too close to the bone            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Shilling for Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    at least you wouldn\'t deny it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Steve, you are right, I suppose, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Keil is Old            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That\'s enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                           how good is good enough?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              comments            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I am not good in this sort of fights...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not arguing, clarifying            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the difference is in the complexity of tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          but, if you had said so            01/01/70 00:00      
   why deal with them?            01/01/70 00:00      
      just a thought...            01/01/70 00:00      
         What's "V&V docs" (sorry for my stupidity)?            01/01/70 00:00      
            V&V            01/01/70 00:00      
               thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
      Customers!            01/01/70 00:00      
         ancient Greek            01/01/70 00:00      
            Large projects?            01/01/70 00:00      
   what about...            01/01/70 00:00      
    Unbelieveable??            01/01/70 00:00      
   Avionics compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
      The Blue screen of Death            01/01/70 00:00      

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