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03/19/07 19:42
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#135323 - It\'s not that you should look. That is THEIR job!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Your role as the end-user is to try to get your work out within the confines of what the software will do. Nobody expects you to exert any effort in the direction of fixing KEIL's screwups. As an end-user, you have simply to live with the product as it is. Nobody expects YOU to fix it, nor does anyone with any sense expect them to fix it, so long as people keep buying it despite its flaws.

However, it's not right to imply that there aren't any bugs just because you haven't seen them yourself.

You're a shill because, whenever anyone suggests that KEIL is too costly, you immediately jump them for being too cheap. You don't say, "It might actually be worth that much..." or the like, but you immediately accuse them of being cheap.

You're a shill because you quickly jump anyone who advocates for another compiler, with a comment like, "well, if you were using KEIL, you'd have no problems."

You're a shill because you say, "You should use KEIL ..." when you probably should limit your comment to, "I use and like KEIL's product, and here's why ..."

If you always echo their party-line, then you're a shill. Check the definition.

I don't use it because (a) I don't like using HLL's for MCU's, and (b) because of the experience I've had with them. It's a limited experience, but I'm not interested in repeating it.

One other thing ... I don't expect anything in KEIL's C-51 compiler to be improved now that ARM, which would benefit from the nonexistence of the PIC, 68HC-whatever, or 805x and derivatives, owns it.

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Unbelieveable nonsence            01/01/70 00:00      
   I don't know ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      my understanding of \"things that have to work\"...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Tests, reviews and such.            01/01/70 00:00      
            rules? What rules?            01/01/70 00:00      
               sounds like assembler to me            01/01/70 00:00      
                  naaaah            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                     OK, but this is a particular application...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        valid only for cheaspskates and stressers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I stumbled across a compiler bug, once.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              so did I            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Were you looking for bugs?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              HUH            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It\'s not that you should look. That is THEIR job!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    a diffgerent tone            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Erik, you need to learn to read ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          mustard            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Too close to the bone            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Shilling for Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    at least you wouldn\'t deny it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Steve, you are right, I suppose, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Keil is Old            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That\'s enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                           how good is good enough?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              comments            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I am not good in this sort of fights...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not arguing, clarifying            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       the difference is in the complexity of tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          but, if you had said so            01/01/70 00:00      
   why deal with them?            01/01/70 00:00      
      just a thought...            01/01/70 00:00      
         What's "V&V docs" (sorry for my stupidity)?            01/01/70 00:00      
            V&V            01/01/70 00:00      
               thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
      Customers!            01/01/70 00:00      
         ancient Greek            01/01/70 00:00      
            Large projects?            01/01/70 00:00      
   what about...            01/01/70 00:00      
    Unbelieveable??            01/01/70 00:00      
   Avionics compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
      The Blue screen of Death            01/01/70 00:00      

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