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07/31/06 18:04
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#121427 - Yes, it's an assumption
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Once the electric cars become readily available, the means to charge them will become a requirement. Once it's a requirement, provision will be made for it.

Several of those off-grid demo houses had less than half their roof area used for photovoltaics. One of them even had a rooftop vegetable and herb garden. That reduces thermal loading, and provides fresh food at least part of the year.

The photovoltaics provide about 2.5 times the average electrical power required per day. That's averaged over light and dark periods. There's always a surplus. The batteries are not 100% efficient. In fact they're quite inefficient. Nevertheless the photovoltaics are sufficient to keep them charged to meet peak demand.

Yes, the technology isn't perfect, AND it's still quite expensive. We just have to wait for the costs to come down. Now, LiIon batteries are much better than their NiCd predecessors. First of all, they tolerate being charged all the time, and they don't mind coughing up considerable power. I don't know what sort of a mix of battery technology their demo houses used, but I imagine it was a mix.

Yes, disposal of defunct batteries will be a burden. However, it's much more manageable than disposal of spent nuclear fuel. Perhaps when 80 million homes have battery disposal burdens it will become more serious. However, there's probably a recycling channel that hasn't yet been explored.

This photovoltaic solution isn't universal, either. As you've pointed out, Terry, as one moves farther toward the poles, the value of photovoltaics is negatively impacted. There are probably other ways of powering homes in those extreme areas. Perhaps the grid distribution method can solve that problem. It will be less of a burden if houses that CAN generate their own power do so, however.

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anyone interested?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Fancy Golf Cart?            01/01/70 00:00      
      price            01/01/70 00:00      
         If they really want to help the environment...            01/01/70 00:00      
            they claim to come out with a 'family sedan'            01/01/70 00:00      
               By that time it will be a bargain!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  ???            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I used to            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ha bloody ha.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You might change your mind            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Doubt it            01/01/70 00:00      
                           let's examine this more closely.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Have you been to Europe lately>            01/01/70 00:00      
                              respons            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I've met a few of them, too.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    So?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       look around ... it's already like that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Still disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Counting subsidies?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Oh yea ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I'm not sure that's true ... Russia has 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Which brings us right back            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      That's why I say it's off by 7%            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Reasonable people do disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You don\'t have to agree, but think about it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Transformer efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Frankly, I've no idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   From my house I count 61 ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Who cares            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Power distribution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            I think one of the demo teams was from Canada            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Nobody, and that\'s part of the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            What about            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Grids            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  but would it be necessary?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               They've got all that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Grids            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     True, but not in all cases            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  assumption            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     double problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Yes, it's an assumption            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        batterys            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           not less, but more of a problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     That said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        lead acid            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           who cxares about the temperature            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              at 2000 degrees F, it would melt iron            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 promising I'd say            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Faith            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       tried and failed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          ah, yes ... I remember it well ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Nixon tried price controls            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                What was price-controlled ... I don't remember.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   google for it - gas and oil among others            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
                           any news as to the REAL solution?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE "doom and gloom"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Putting the \"mental\" in environmental            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Of that there can be no doubt            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Not every acre, my friend            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Price of Gas            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The cost of the alternatives.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Over here.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Luckily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I've been watching this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Denmark just passed 10%            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          They're a world leader in this regard            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Nuclear            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 U.S. industry is too corrupt            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the best argument FOR nuclear energy is 3 mile isl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       chernobyl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Even Chernobyl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Chernobyl and coal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                another thing to consider            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re. Chernobyl and coal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Name one.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Just consider our commander in chief            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not a poor decision in their eyes            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I doubt they have brushes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 That is why nuclear generation is so appealing            01/01/70 00:00      
                        have you no Farmers market where you live ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           We used to, back when I was a "farmer"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not a Tesla engine            01/01/70 00:00      
      Tesla turbine            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's just a name ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Possom on a Stick            01/01/70 00:00      
               Turtle tea            01/01/70 00:00      
               is that Okie spellinh            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think Webster spells it with a leading \'O\'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     webster            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Opossum on the half shell?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Just Southern Courtesy            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How thoughful of you!            01/01/70 00:00      

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