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07/23/06 18:57
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 		 #120885 - RE "doom and gloom"
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher

I've long been a follower of the "doom and gloom" school of economics.

The mean price of food has gone up by over 10% around here in the past year because so little food is produced locally that everything is trucked in from elsewhere




"doom and gloom"

I think the future will be quite scary...and it will not be long before it unravels before our very eyes....

Oil has come ...has peaked....and in the next forty years will be gone.And food is oil!..

The "Ecology Institute" in Willets,California has calculated that by the year 2050 there will be 7.5 billion of us requiring 2800 ish acres of land for agriculture each to provide food.

This is quite doable as long as we all become strict vegans and utilise composting of all human waste and post mortem humans...I hope you read the last bit there..

In the fortys US farms produced 2000 calories of food for every 1 calorie of fossil fuel used...by 1970 this became 1:1....and is now 1:2000

R U Hungry.....Soylent Green Anyone....


Rob


List of 97 messages in thread
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anyone interested?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Fancy Golf Cart?            01/01/70 00:00      
      price            01/01/70 00:00      
         If they really want to help the environment...            01/01/70 00:00      
            they claim to come out with a 'family sedan'            01/01/70 00:00      
               By that time it will be a bargain!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  ???            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I used to            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Ha bloody ha.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You might change your mind            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Doubt it            01/01/70 00:00      
                           let's examine this more closely.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Have you been to Europe lately>            01/01/70 00:00      
                              respons            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I've met a few of them, too.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    So?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       look around ... it's already like that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Still disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Counting subsidies?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Oh yea ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I'm not sure that's true ... Russia has 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Which brings us right back            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      That's why I say it's off by 7%            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Reasonable people do disagree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You don\'t have to agree, but think about it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Transformer efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Frankly, I've no idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   From my house I count 61 ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Who cares            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Power distribution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            I think one of the demo teams was from Canada            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Nobody, and that\'s part of the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            What about            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Grids            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  but would it be necessary?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               They've got all that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Grids            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     True, but not in all cases            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  assumption            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     double problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Yes, it's an assumption            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        batterys            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           not less, but more of a problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     That said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        lead acid            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           who cxares about the temperature            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              at 2000 degrees F, it would melt iron            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 promising I'd say            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Faith            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       tried and failed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          ah, yes ... I remember it well ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Nixon tried price controls            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                What was price-controlled ... I don't remember.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   google for it - gas and oil among others            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
                           any news as to the REAL solution?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE "doom and gloom"            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Putting the \"mental\" in environmental            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Of that there can be no doubt            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Not every acre, my friend            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Price of Gas            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The cost of the alternatives.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Over here.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Luckily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I've been watching this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Denmark just passed 10%            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          They're a world leader in this regard            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Nuclear            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 U.S. industry is too corrupt            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the best argument FOR nuclear energy is 3 mile isl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       chernobyl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Even Chernobyl            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Chernobyl and coal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                another thing to consider            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Re. Chernobyl and coal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Name one.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Just consider our commander in chief            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not a poor decision in their eyes            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I doubt they have brushes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 That is why nuclear generation is so appealing            01/01/70 00:00      
                        have you no Farmers market where you live ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           We used to, back when I was a "farmer"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Not a Tesla engine            01/01/70 00:00      
      Tesla turbine            01/01/70 00:00      
         It's just a name ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Possom on a Stick            01/01/70 00:00      
               Turtle tea            01/01/70 00:00      
               is that Okie spellinh            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I think Webster spells it with a leading \'O\'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     webster            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Opossum on the half shell?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Just Southern Courtesy            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How thoughful of you!            01/01/70 00:00      

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