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07/29/06 04:24
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#121299 - No relevant difference, I think
Responding to: ???'s previous message
From the two very different examples I tend to say that the concrete cap values are rather irrelevant. I know, you want to build something beautiful, but I think the layout considerations are more important than the exact cap values. Or by other words, with an unsuited layout you can damage more than you gain by a sophisticated choice of cap values.

I, personally, would use identical caps (not mentioning the huge caps), 100nF in 0402 package for instance, in combination with a layout which uses as shortest and widest copper traces with as many vias as possible. The use of a mulitlayer board is the crucial point in such an application, of course!

By the way: Figure 8 of this application note

http://www.xilinx.com/bvdocs/appnotes/xapp623.pdf

is no more than a joke! Reality looks totally different! What figure 8 shows is what they hope to get, an impedance curve showing a very low impedance, free of any unsane maxima. In reality you get something totally different, something that is nearly unpredicatble! What these people forget is, that you cannot put some hundreds of caps on a board without resulting in additional copper trace inductivities between them, which are hugely bigger than the SMD package inductivities and which makes this wonderful theoretical impedance calculation entirely invalid! Not even mentioning these annoying bond wires' inductivities internally of chip...

Kai

List of 25 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Decoupling Capacitors            01/01/70 00:00      
   Paralleling...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well have a look at the design            01/01/70 00:00      
         I will...            01/01/70 00:00      
            No layout available at the moment            01/01/70 00:00      
               May I ask why you don't follow the reference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Because            01/01/70 00:00      
                     No relevant difference, I think            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I do not think so            01/01/70 00:00      
                        try one poured layer for each supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              He will need multiple layers anyway            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Fast clock signals            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Multiple layers is no joke            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That's a problem, all right ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Same song second verse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Miker, it sounds as if you need to buy a book by D            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Discontinuities and other mess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I wouldn't do that            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This stuff basically hasn't changed in 30 years            01/01/70 00:00      
      I never used individual ferrites ..            01/01/70 00:00      
         You WILL in mixed circuits...            01/01/70 00:00      
   never seen that, but have seen the opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe somewhere in between will work            01/01/70 00:00      
   No longer interested, Mike??            01/01/70 00:00      

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