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07/28/06 04:40
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#121233 - Paralleling...
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Mike said:
Could having too many decoupling capacitors on these power rails adversely affect the operation of the device?

Many years ago you could have either a big capacitance in a high inductive package or a small capacitance in a low inductive package. So, paralleling of both was essential to achieve a low impedance over a wide band of frequencies. Unfortunately this paralleling often resulted in resonances, where the inductance of the one cap reacts with the capacitance of the other. Consequence: Impedance maxima of dozens of Ohm where you want to have an impedance of much less than 1Ohm.

As long as you use a cap for the bigger one, which shows enough equivalent series resistance, these resonances can be kept small. This is why putting a small tantal or simple aluminium electrolytic in parallel to the 10...100nF SMDs is so helpful.

Today, situation is totally different: Ceramic high caps are available, which offer huge capacitances in tiny SMD packages. So, it's easy to get a 10µF cap (X5S) in a 0805 package.
When using such caps this annoying paralleling is no longer needed!

You can drastically enhance the filtering performance when using ferrite beads in combination with these caps. By using a simple pi-filter configuration you can suppress the resulting ground return currents to nearly zero, which allows you to combine analog and digital circuitry arround the same chip.

Kai

List of 25 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Decoupling Capacitors            01/01/70 00:00      
   Paralleling...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well have a look at the design            01/01/70 00:00      
         I will...            01/01/70 00:00      
            No layout available at the moment            01/01/70 00:00      
               May I ask why you don't follow the reference?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Because            01/01/70 00:00      
                     No relevant difference, I think            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I do not think so            01/01/70 00:00      
                        try one poured layer for each supply            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Exactly!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              He will need multiple layers anyway            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Fast clock signals            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Multiple layers is no joke            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    That's a problem, all right ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Same song second verse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Miker, it sounds as if you need to buy a book by D            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Discontinuities and other mess            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I wouldn't do that            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This stuff basically hasn't changed in 30 years            01/01/70 00:00      
      I never used individual ferrites ..            01/01/70 00:00      
         You WILL in mixed circuits...            01/01/70 00:00      
   never seen that, but have seen the opposite            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe somewhere in between will work            01/01/70 00:00      
   No longer interested, Mike??            01/01/70 00:00      

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