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12/06/12 23:23
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#188974 - We've all had that experience
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Kai Klaas said:
Richard said:
BTW, I don't dislike the ATMEL parts, as I've not used them. I do, however, dislike the ATMEL corporate culture, as demonstrated in that incident I have repeatedly described, and which I won't repeat here.

Yes, I know what you mean: First they deny that there's a problem with their POR and BOR at all, and then, overnight, they present an "enhanced" power-on reset...

Unfortunately things have changed here in Germany, and I guess nearly everywhere in overseas? It's not so easy to contact manufacturers in the USA directly as it worked in the 80ies and 90ies. You are rigurously rejected to your sales offices in your country where only stupid and inexperienced people sit. People entirely incapable of solving a problem. They only read the datasheet to you and finally you must explain them what the datasheet is telling.

Shareholder value seems to be more important than good service and customer satisfaction. In the last months and years I have given up to ask the manufacturers in the USA for help at all. If the datasheet of a chip doesn't tell me what I want to hear I dismiss the whole chip even if the chip seems to fit perfectly. Where I make my bread highest reliability is of more importance than highest performance...

Kai Klaas


This last paragraph seems to be a widespread issue, and not just in the electronics arena. Over the past few decades, equities trading has been more a crapshoot based on the rapidly changing price of the equity rather than on the long-term yield. It almost seems that these corporate boards want to pump up the stock value so they can sell the company at a profit and retreat into obscurity.

I've seen more than one company built from the outset for a quick sale after establishing "blue-sky". What happens once the company, often built on "underqualified" (a clearly inappropriate designation) lower-paid employees, who then work a great deal to establish the successful business only to have their jobs go to "properly credentialed" employees who are unqualified to support the company's products, who who look good on the employee roster when it's examined by prospective purchasers.

It's too bad that this is so common.

I agree that it's so common that manufacturers have fewer application specialists to advise the designer. They often do, as you say, have few people who even understand what the datasheet says, and, if you are unfortunate enough to have to deal with a distributor's app's help, they seldom understand even what you have to explain to them. It's too bad so many corporations are saddled with CEO and board that only have an eye to the quarterly report.

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C8051F231 experiences            01/01/70 00:00      
   another solution            01/01/70 00:00      
   The probabilities are low...            01/01/70 00:00      
      think about what happens when you add a finger            01/01/70 00:00      
         The point is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes ... the underlying issue is the flash ...             01/01/70 00:00      
               Out of my office, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Don't think in Vcc, ESD or hum...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Apparently several C8051F2xx parts have the same pinout            01/01/70 00:00      
   Characteristic for in system programmable flash micros...            01/01/70 00:00      
      All too true ... sadly ...             01/01/70 00:00      
         Power-on slope rate...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Sorry, my post should be here, no up there...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Have you any basis for that rate?            01/01/70 00:00      
               Vdd ramp time            01/01/70 00:00      
               Some datasheets show numbers...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Those aren't the "usual" 805x-core MCU's            01/01/70 00:00      
                     There aren't many "usual" 8051-cores anymore...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        How dangerous power ups can be...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I believe it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              (dV/dt) examples            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 They don't know it either...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    dV/dT etc             01/01/70 00:00      
                                       reset request...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          That's what disturbs me greatly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             It IS disturbing!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Where this began ... at least for me ...             01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   So, you took the hard road...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      We've all had that experience             01/01/70 00:00      
   probable cause            01/01/70 00:00      
      Brent, this is very nice            01/01/70 00:00      
         forum no longer down            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thank you!            01/01/70 00:00      

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