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01/26/11 09:51
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 		 #180801 - show me the proof
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Oliver Sedlacek said:
There is real evidence for the productivity advantage of a HLL. One of the quantifiable measures is 'lines of code per hour', and a typical value for tested and documented is 10 LOC per hour. Ten lines of HLL give you more functionality than ten lines of assembler!

Show me the proof that the 10LOC/hr is valid for 8051 assembler/C programming.

I say for a long time that this is simply a truth made of repeated lie (well, not outright lie, but an overgeneralized statement taken out of context), but have no resources to prove my point (give me a dozen or two of young, "untouched" programmers, for a month or two, and I'll prove it! :-) )

Oliver Sedlacek said:
I would also say that a key to software productivity is code reuse. I have a few C code modules for FIFOs and command interpreters that I have dropped into H8, 8051, R8C and ARM projects without modification.
I have ported several routines between 6502/196/'51/AVR asms, and that was a no-brainer too. Maybe not "drop-in", but mostly just the typing time.

As I've said, the pure "coding" time is often irrelevant to the process overall. That you might be able to concoct a certain type or style of application quickly because of circumstances such as prior experience, does not prove a higher "efficiency" in the big picture.

And, again, I don't say asm is *universally* *better*. I just say that it is not universally worse.

JW

List of 58 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
"standard syntax" of '51 assemblers            01/01/70 00:00      
   Use C            01/01/70 00:00      
      Use C - prudently            01/01/70 00:00      
         I hate C            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fight!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Time in the Trade            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'd submit that there are "gotcha's"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The tools are better for HLL            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Gotchas!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes. Fight.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why fight?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     that are still language-agnostic issues            01/01/70 00:00      
                        to Jan and others            01/01/70 00:00      
                           personal experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                  HLL productivity            01/01/70 00:00      
                     show me the proof            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Productivity article            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Tautologies!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What's up with that???            01/01/70 00:00      
                           interesting but irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Why is that irrelevant?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I think part of the confusion stems from this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    which packages have you seen????            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       not those in recent history            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I don't think that's true?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Common that consultants have commercial compilers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Who benefits?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Why would they buy that product at all?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                So You are Niche            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          look at the link in my post above            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Technology front            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Richard doesn't exactly follow the technology front....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   and doesn't let that stop him ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Just because the paint is dry doesn't mean it won't work            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Perhaps not ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Technology front? In '51 asm?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              again ... I have to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 as usual, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    all you have to do is to read the whole message            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Do you test your code?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           sure I do            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What you can do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sw test harness            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I don't know about yours, but mine can do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Why didn't you read?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Well, I have to admit ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You are forgetting memory variables in state machines            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I think you're going over the top.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Stop and think before you write            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Footnote about code coverage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I agree with the principle, but not with the range            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               where you sit determines what you see            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  when seeing too little - get a chair to stand on            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I'm not on board with all of that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I know, lifebuoy needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I have to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
            As I've often said ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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