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01/25/11 19:06
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 		 #180782 - I hate C
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik Malund said:
I have had very few '51 projects where 1-10% of the code in assembler has not been either necessary (as in fast enough on a f120 @96MHz) or cost saving (as in using a smaller derivative).

my philosophy re '51 code is "C as far as it goes, but no fear of assembler"

You all know that I don't agree with "C is faster to write, easier to maintain" etc. so I am not going to repeat it again (whoops, I just did it... ;-) ). Nor do I subscribe to "one size fits all" philosophy. This all is too dependent on the circumstances.

These days, asm tends to be underestimated in many respects, probably as an overreaction to the relatively sudden increase of availability of HLL tools. For those, who were forced to use asm in inadequately sized (big) projects, it must have been a great relieve, and so they started to advocate them universally, I understand that.

And, as far as portability is concerned especially in the (small embedded) practice, you all know that C is no better than asm - just that some of you deny it fiercely. The tricks which could increase portability of C (various portability headers, macros, whatever) work similarly with asm, with some added inconvenience, applicable wherever needed.

JW


List of 58 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
"standard syntax" of '51 assemblers            01/01/70 00:00      
   Use C            01/01/70 00:00      
      Use C - prudently            01/01/70 00:00      
         I hate C            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fight!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Time in the Trade            01/01/70 00:00      
               I'd submit that there are "gotcha's"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The tools are better for HLL            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Gotchas!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes. Fight.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  why fight?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     that are still language-agnostic issues            01/01/70 00:00      
                        to Jan and others            01/01/70 00:00      
                           personal experience            01/01/70 00:00      
                  HLL productivity            01/01/70 00:00      
                     show me the proof            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Productivity article            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Tautologies!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What's up with that???            01/01/70 00:00      
                           interesting but irrelevant            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Why is that irrelevant?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I think part of the confusion stems from this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    which packages have you seen????            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       not those in recent history            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I don't think that's true?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Common that consultants have commercial compilers            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Who benefits?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Why would they buy that product at all?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                So You are Niche            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          look at the link in my post above            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Technology front            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Richard doesn't exactly follow the technology front....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   and doesn't let that stop him ....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Just because the paint is dry doesn't mean it won't work            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Perhaps not ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Technology front? In '51 asm?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              again ... I have to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 as usual, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    all you have to do is to read the whole message            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Do you test your code?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           sure I do            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What you can do ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sw test harness            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I don't know about yours, but mine can do that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Why didn't you read?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Well, I have to admit ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             You are forgetting memory variables in state machines            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                I think you're going over the top.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Stop and think before you write            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Footnote about code coverage            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I agree with the principle, but not with the range            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               where you sit determines what you see            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  when seeing too little - get a chair to stand on            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I'm not on board with all of that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I know, lifebuoy needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I have to agree            01/01/70 00:00      
            As I've often said ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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