| Article: "Real engineers program in C" | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| C and Latin | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| similarities between English and C | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| all sorts of similarities | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| NOT engineers..... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I think that was his point? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I know | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I also don't know if his diagram on Page 3 is right | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| fewer ASM developers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| languages | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Muscle Vs Fat | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| apples vs bears | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Wait a minute, pilgrim! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| pilgrim has arrived | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Break out that DOS Computer | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I do that quite often! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| blame drivers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Equip them right and they seem to work ... sort-of | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Engineers and Marketing guys | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| jeeziz x kryst | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| So ... Why do you do all that? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| wrong choice of word | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's just a millstone ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| re: why? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| My computer _boots_ faster than that. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| DMA? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Maybe it's the amount of memory | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The cost of mutlitasking.. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| haven't any time to waste | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That would be too slow! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I see no ships! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Isn't 4k plenty for a '51? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| which '51 does have that? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Erik would call those "deviates". | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| nope | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| pipelines, cars, and real engineers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's also pipelined. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| then it's irrelevant | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| If you can ignore those features | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| keeping up | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I feel your pain ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Don't see problems - see possibilities | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Do you really want to hide from reality? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Always hiding behind excuses | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What excuses? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Your excuses | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Do you directly or indirectly work for Keil? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| BULL!! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't harbor any animosity, but I don't like being lied-to | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you "understand well enough" | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I have to agree ... evaluation takes time ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| this is where I think I'm the realist | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| If only the pieces were separately available ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I can't and would never | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| So ... Who's a simulator specialist? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| don't know, don't care | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| So why even mention it? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| because someone (you?) brought it up | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Tangential Richard at work | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the pot calling the kettle black | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| that's the crux | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's a matter of realism | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well, if you do not have the time to evaluate, your points | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I have to disagree ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| no need | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That would be an ideal fix! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| no way | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| but only if we both define a project | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| oh, that's no proof then... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It would be a nice idea, but how would you time it? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you did not read what I said | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| implication and how to challenge it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| disassembly | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Encryption module? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| not at all | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's clear to see that some folks really like 'C' | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| can you only like one thing? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, but ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you can boil steak too | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| but you don't have to do that | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| but you just said | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| no praise, just not hate | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That makes sense | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| not that claim | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| again you miss 'usually', 'mostly', 'often', etc | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Not so ... exactly | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Based on what experience? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That's not how it works | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| maintenance is a totally different issue | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| apples to pears? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't need to compare/contrast apples and pears | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The embedded world is larger than your tiny island | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| IF | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's all about initial hardware cost, not maintenance cost. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Value of investment | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Not Here | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Whose business? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What do you mean by "code analysis tools"? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Some important tests | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yes, those come up in HLL, but ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Memory leaks nothing to do with HLL | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Yeah, you can do that ... but it's not recommended | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| More way than one to create memory leaks | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| that is not applicable to small embedded | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Way easier to analyse non-goto code | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| and why would that be? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| General purpose languages normally allows dangers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| You still don't get the point, Per | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Wrong question | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| what view? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| and the answer is | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| can be seen as a leading question | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Careful now! Some folks like Pascal for the '51 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Why? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Some things depend on your point of view | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Richard has never, ever, in his whole life implemented a bug | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
I may have written 'em, but I've never shipped 'em | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| QAC and Polyspace | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| thanks, Oliver | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| MISRA and assembly don't mix well. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you can write FORTRAN in any language | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I know ... but MISRA rules are explicit. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Not happy will all parts of MISRA | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Interesting discussion of MISRA C: | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Flawed but useful | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Nested comments can produce different results | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That's the thing with rules | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Polyspace | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Also in VB | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Amazing! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| You really are very naughty Andy | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
