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02/19/07 14:19
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#133245 - Definitions and etymology
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Is that the same Websters that tells us the definitions of irregardless, and ain't? Note too that they incorrectly cite "ain't" as a contraction of "are not."

They state that the etymology of "ain't" is a contraction of "are not". I would guess that whether "ain't" was first used as a contraction of "am not" or "are not" is lost somewhere in the fog of history. They correctly state that today it is used as a contraction of "am/are/is not".

"Aren't" is the contraction of "are not."

And that precludes coming up with any other contractions (or contracting a contraction even further)? "Aren't" still contains one of those hard-to-pronounce "r"s.

"Ain't" is the slang contraction of "am not," originating in the drawled dialects of the U.S. antebellum deep south.

Phonetically, I think it's easier to connect "are not" and "ain't" (my drawling skills are somewhat lacking, I'm more used to "fast Hoosier with German accent"), especially by going "are not" -> "aren't" -> "ain't".

All of the other dictionaries I checked als define "carrot-and-stick" as "reward-and-punishment", for example these guys:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.as....stick*1+0

They also label "irregardless" as "Non-Standard", and avoid dwelling on the etymology of "ain't".

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Common confused words, and such pet peeves.            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yep...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Toe the mark            01/01/70 00:00      
         Sure.            01/01/70 00:00      
            that's how they used to propel barges            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sorry, that's not correct...            01/01/70 00:00      
      It actually can be correct either way.            01/01/70 00:00      
         The Telegraph would beg to differ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            This isn't the first time a newspaper was wrong,            01/01/70 00:00      
               OK            01/01/70 00:00      
      Toeing the line is a naval term            01/01/70 00:00      
   Commonly confused words, and such pet peeves.            01/01/70 00:00      
      No... I don't know!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Momentarily            01/01/70 00:00      
      Hmmm            01/01/70 00:00      
      Instantly; Instantaneously            01/01/70 00:00      
   Apostrophe's            01/01/70 00:00      
   That's not how I learned it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Regular; Frequent            01/01/70 00:00      
   Tautology            01/01/70 00:00      
   Misused words            01/01/70 00:00      
      These are all SYNTAX ERRORS!            01/01/70 00:00      
         ones which particularly wind me up            01/01/70 00:00      
            Literally...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Just thought of another one...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Oh, and another...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     it's not mute, it's moot            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it's not baited ... it's bated ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ???            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the implied humor didn't come across            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Depends...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I liked the worm-breath better ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            and how about ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         and....            01/01/70 00:00      
            that's just politico-speak            01/01/70 00:00      
   'S' for seconds            01/01/70 00:00      
      Carrot and stick            01/01/70 00:00      
         That is your interpretation            01/01/70 00:00      
            Is that the same Webster's ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Definitions and etymology            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that ain't no problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's like "PREVENTATIVE"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Or "Expiration"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Haynes Manual Syndrome            01/01/70 00:00      
                        HBOL            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Refitting is the reverse sequence to removal            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Entropy.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Suitable drift            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yes.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Funny post Steve...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    If you enjoyed that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       \'politicaly correct\' language arrrghhh            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          "Dead"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             "Dead"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Or insisting on gender EQU...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Gender neutral language            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                So how do the French, Germans, et al cope?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   We don't cope :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   one example            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Confused yet ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         in some other thread            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      most common usage ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         By Jove, you have a point            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             On gender equality            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                On gender equality - back to the subject            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Fine adjustment tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Hammer adjustments            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          That sounds right.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             X-Band sounds            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                analogy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   hit a trumpet and you will find out            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          X-band? TM or TE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             TM X-Band            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                X-band            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Haynes/Chiltons            01/01/70 00:00      
            the way I learned it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            make note of this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   !!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      The turtle moves!            01/01/70 00:00      
         yep the first is a good old dangling modifier            01/01/70 00:00      
            Dangling modifier            01/01/70 00:00      
   my (least) favorites            01/01/70 00:00      
      I would use another word            01/01/70 00:00      
      If I owned the gas station, ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reminds me...            01/01/70 00:00      
         All rights reserved.....            01/01/70 00:00      
            not really on topic, but            01/01/70 00:00      
               thats not a less developed country            01/01/70 00:00      
               Another quaint Malundism?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  no, 't' stands for 'thumb' which inserted it :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      National Semiconductor needs a copy editor            01/01/70 00:00      
   ie and eg            01/01/70 00:00      
      Common error ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         e.g. and i.e.            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes, but leave off the period ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Irony strikes again            01/01/70 00:00      
               Plague            01/01/70 00:00      
               that is overblown :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Good one Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Too easy            01/01/70 00:00      
                        to get opium? :)            01/01/70 00:00      
               Here's a mnemonic for you            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What about the other ~499999 words ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Phoney Phonetics            01/01/70 00:00      
   In England...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well.. I guess it will be a few more years...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Fo' shizzle...            01/01/70 00:00      

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