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06/15/06 12:23
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#118344 - derivative specific and general
Responding to: ???'s previous message
The basis for each of these derivative specific items ....

Richard,

What this is all about is whether a toolset (in this case Keil) should handle every derivative specific nook and cranny there is.

This raises an interesting question: if Keil had to raise the price by, say, $100 to fully support every nook and cranny of the Dallas derivatives, should I, who do not use these chips, pay the cost of Keil supporting you with the Dallas derivatives?
Just take a peek at the Keil devicelist and you will, if you glance at a few datasheets, see that to support everything, including the "Acme" processors, the simulator would, as a minimum, quadruple in size.
Kail has implemented some support of some derivative specific issues where it counts in the compiler. e.g. some support of double DPTR.

I think - NOTE "I think" - I am not discussing this, just state my opinion, that Keil et al should fully support the standard '51 instruction set only.
If any nooks and crannies of a specific derivative were to be supported, the device manufacturer should be responsible for providing a "tool extension" just like in the CPLD world where the manufacturers provide "fitters" for the universal tools.

Erik

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TopicAuthorDate
Keilc51 demo version is far too limited            01/01/70 00:00      
   Bona fide?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Raisonance limit is 4k            01/01/70 00:00      
   thats what demo versions are for            01/01/70 00:00      
      I cahllemge you            01/01/70 00:00      
         amazing deduction            01/01/70 00:00      
   hmmm            01/01/70 00:00      
      The 805x series has "gotten away"            01/01/70 00:00      
      Pot. Kettle. Black.            01/01/70 00:00      
         ha ha ha            01/01/70 00:00      
   maybe....            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's why SDCC is preferable            01/01/70 00:00      
         Keil lifetime and SDCC?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Room for improvement.            01/01/70 00:00      
               It happens            01/01/70 00:00      
   the eval is purely a misnomer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Marketingspeak            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well, maybe he's a shill ... or a pimp            01/01/70 00:00      
            what is "device support?" for a compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, that's part of it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Pow, smack, whack...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     when you get what you need who cares abo            01/01/70 00:00      
                        You're absolutely right ... sadly enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Wrong tool            01/01/70 00:00      
                              you overstate greatly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 consider the one-clocker            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    I have heard/read they kind of do            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       but only "sort-of"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          derivative specific and general            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             They should admit they don't            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                the problem is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   That's not where the argument should be            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It's probably less than that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 One more thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Evaluation            01/01/70 00:00      
   well anyway            01/01/70 00:00      
      Open Source            01/01/70 00:00      
         of course,once ive finished everything            01/01/70 00:00      
   wickenhaeuser compiler            01/01/70 00:00      

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