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12/07/09 10:40
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 		 #171502 - Why indeed?!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
The app-note recommendation that I remember is to use ALE to retrigger the '1232's watchdog timer.

James Hinnant said:
i don't get why using ALE would be expected to work.

I think I've seen the same App Note that Richard's referring to, and that was my thought exactly!

IIRC, I think the point of that app note was how to use the '1232 just as a Reset generator without using its watchdog functionality?
So the ALE connection is there purely to keep the dog happy - not in any attempt to detect software failures.
(although, as Richard says, even that may be flawed)



I might have posted something about this here ages ago...


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a simple 89s52 based led circuit on the breadboard            01/01/70 00:00      
   22uF?            01/01/70 00:00      
      He's probably wondering what GNG is            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yep, I also wonder.... Already edited!            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes my bad, its 22pf not uf            01/01/70 00:00      
         Lots of nice info in datasheets and application notes            01/01/70 00:00      
         your problem identified            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes...            01/01/70 00:00      
   I see no decoupling            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some hints...            01/01/70 00:00      
   similar problems when i was an infant enthusiast            01/01/70 00:00      
      NO!            01/01/70 00:00      
         a simpler solution            01/01/70 00:00      
            Of course...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Will post results in a week or soo            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe it is your program            01/01/70 00:00      
         How would that happen?            01/01/70 00:00      
            wandering into Enchanted Forest            01/01/70 00:00      
               about those test spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thorough testing? Often an illussion!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     testing is an illusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Agreed, with caveats            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Still same problem - no problem seen doesn't prove anything            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I've been saying that for years ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 for the umpteenth time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You should learn how to spell those words you like            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I quoted you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Yes, but you "tracked down" nothing!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I recall the previous occasions ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Focus on the circumstances            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   'investigation' vs 'reasoning'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Reasoning vs. investigation was popular for millenia            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Reasoning            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Ptolemy and Eratosthenes...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               seek to find game: facts, evidence, philisophy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Reasoning works fine if you don't omit/ignore the evidence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I only do what the manufacturer urged me...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes, Kai, you did that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       can't you read            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          That's not what you were complaining about!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Please read this document...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                           I read that the first time you mentioned it.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not perfect and never perfectly debugged            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's the difference between "good" and "good enough"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not necessary...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Neither way fixes anything.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it might not be 'harmless'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Watchdog should be used for anything semicritical            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Of ourse, illjumping must not happen!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What "depending on"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Relax, not you...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What do you use to "pet" the dog?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              hw timer isr för watchdog kick is dangerous            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Different instructions in different parts of the code!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why use ALE?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why indeed?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The REAL problem lies in what it tells you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       please find just one that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          the typical switcher ripple is too much            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Have you ever observed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                ... glad you asked that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Only you, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      that's not what you were asked, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Nothing much            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            We can let others conclude what they will            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 because ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It's what the mfg tells us to use ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem solved!            01/01/70 00:00      
      correction            01/01/70 00:00      
      Driving car with closed eyes...            01/01/70 00:00      
         sleep driving            01/01/70 00:00      
            Of course!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks for WHAT            01/01/70 00:00      
      No ... You only THINK it has been solved.            01/01/70 00:00      
         question for wire wrapping and some clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
            Rectangular pins that cuts into the wire            01/01/70 00:00      
            If you were to adopt this technique ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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