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12/07/09 06:37
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 		 #171497 - not perfect and never perfectly debugged
Responding to: ???'s previous message
i would not consider any set of hardware, firmware, and documentation to be perfect unless it was really trivial, and if trivial why field it?

thus we have watchdogs, diagnostic routines, panic dumps, coverage testing with logic analyzer running, etc.

also, a lot of times schedules are staggered, so that firmware is integrated and provided to qual testing while it is still under development.

i would say having the firmware stop responding at random in runs that are months apart are indications that is not working. in the particular case i am thinking of, the uC/board manufacturer forgot to update their documentation after making a change to memory write state handling.

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a simple 89s52 based led circuit on the breadboard            01/01/70 00:00      
   22uF?            01/01/70 00:00      
      He's probably wondering what GNG is            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yep, I also wonder.... Already edited!            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes my bad, its 22pf not uf            01/01/70 00:00      
         Lots of nice info in datasheets and application notes            01/01/70 00:00      
         your problem identified            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes...            01/01/70 00:00      
   I see no decoupling            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some hints...            01/01/70 00:00      
   similar problems when i was an infant enthusiast            01/01/70 00:00      
      NO!            01/01/70 00:00      
         a simpler solution            01/01/70 00:00      
            Of course...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Will post results in a week or soo            01/01/70 00:00      
      Maybe it is your program            01/01/70 00:00      
         How would that happen?            01/01/70 00:00      
            wandering into Enchanted Forest            01/01/70 00:00      
               about those test spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thorough testing? Often an illussion!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     testing is an illusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Agreed, with caveats            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Still same problem - no problem seen doesn't prove anything            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I've been saying that for years ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 for the umpteenth time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You should learn how to spell those words you like            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I quoted you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Yes, but you "tracked down" nothing!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I recall the previous occasions ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Focus on the circumstances            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   'investigation' vs 'reasoning'            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Reasoning vs. investigation was popular for millenia            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Reasoning            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Ptolemy and Eratosthenes...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               seek to find game: facts, evidence, philisophy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Reasoning works fine if you don't omit/ignore the evidence            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I only do what the manufacturer urged me...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes, Kai, you did that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       can't you read            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          That's not what you were complaining about!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Please read this document...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                           I read that the first time you mentioned it.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  not perfect and never perfectly debugged            01/01/70 00:00      
                     It's the difference between "good" and "good enough"            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not necessary...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Neither way fixes anything.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it might not be 'harmless'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Watchdog should be used for anything semicritical            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Of ourse, illjumping must not happen!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     What "depending on"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Relax, not you...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           What do you use to "pet" the dog?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              hw timer isr för watchdog kick is dangerous            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Different instructions in different parts of the code!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why use ALE?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why indeed?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    The REAL problem lies in what it tells you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       please find just one that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          the typical switcher ripple is too much            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Have you ever observed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                ... glad you asked that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Only you, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      that's not what you were asked, Erik!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Nothing much            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            We can let others conclude what they will            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 because ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 It's what the mfg tells us to use ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Problem solved!            01/01/70 00:00      
      correction            01/01/70 00:00      
      Driving car with closed eyes...            01/01/70 00:00      
         sleep driving            01/01/70 00:00      
            Of course!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks for WHAT            01/01/70 00:00      
      No ... You only THINK it has been solved.            01/01/70 00:00      
         question for wire wrapping and some clarification            01/01/70 00:00      
            Rectangular pins that cuts into the wire            01/01/70 00:00      
            If you were to adopt this technique ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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