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11/23/09 22:34
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#171091 - Well, maybe ...
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Barry Demers said:
Since I am currently pursuing a logic design, Would ModelSim be a good option for working with and, or, not gates and being able to watch timing issues, etc?

2 Monitors?????????? Dang! Don't these authors ever use their own stuff?

It depends on what your goals are.

ModelSim goes far beyond functional simulation, but there are a few things to keep in mind.

First of all, if you use one of the manufacturer-specific versions, you'll be limited to the context in which you're working, i.e. the inards of a specific CPLD or FPGA, and, in the case of the FPGA, you'll be affected by the routing, which may or may not be important to you. Often, routing delays exceed the gate delays. The pinout you choose also affects your timing in FPGA's. These effects are much smaller in CPLD's, though they are affected by routing as well, but it's predictable before you assign pins.

ModelSim apparently can't "work its way" out of a failure to meet setup and hold requirements. That means that you can's simulate the beavior of metastability-hardening features, notably multi-ranked registers, because ModelSim just doesn't know how to do that. With some care, you won't be up against that very often.

2 monitors? What for? I use 4 computers on my one 28" flat-panel via a KVM switch. Why would you need two monitors? Isn't it cheaper to have multiple computers? That way you can use Linux, DOS, and Windows at the same time without any of the usual conflicts arising from many of the ways in which people do that on a single computer. The KVM switch saves lots of space otherwise required by monitors, keyboards, etc.

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I'd like to learn Spice, how best to do that?            01/01/70 00:00      
   according to "Mr. Analog"            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, I don't think he actually said that            01/01/70 00:00      
   TINA            01/01/70 00:00      
      Spice????            01/01/70 00:00      
         Useful Sometimes, It Depends...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Consider the source ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I doubt Bob Pease's remark was as global...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Monitors            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sometimes, all that's needed is an extra pair of spectacles            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Other times, it's just more space!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     odd ... I don't have any software that doesn't do that            01/01/70 00:00      
            Source considered            01/01/70 00:00      
               How about ModelSim?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well, maybe ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Multiple computers solves different problem than monitors            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Multiple Monitors            01/01/70 00:00      
                        for different reasons ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           other reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it's not impossible to take a snippet            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No - not impossible, ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Synergy            01/01/70 00:00      
                  re: ModelSim            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Are two monitors ABSOLUTELY necessary?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        necessity            01/01/70 00:00      
                           24" is probably optimum size for the cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                           wouldn't work for me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ABSOLUTELY? ... I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Multiple-PC Monitors            01/01/70 00:00      
                           PiP/PoP            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I see your point ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: absolutely.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I think it's more a matter of preference            01/01/70 00:00      
               Depending on your objective ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Views on Spice and TINA            01/01/70 00:00      
      ISIS and Tina Pro            01/01/70 00:00      
   spice, eval boards            01/01/70 00:00      

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