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10/04/09 04:46
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#169390 - Published spec's are in the public domain
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Andy Neil said:
Richard Erlacher said:
All these questions rely on spec's ... spec's often no longer available, hence requiring guesswork if the original spec isn't on hand.

That's what I had in mind.

Very true.

But keeping the specs for one's own use is very different to publishing those specs for others to use...


I don't disagree ... fundamentally ... though I am concerned that you seem to believe there's an ethical issue here. That information to which I globally refer as published spec's doesn't belong to the publisher, once published in an open form, which the www certainly is. Hence, whoever has a copy, owns that copy and can do with it as he wishes.

Aside from the library maintenance task itself, the ethics, if that's what concerns you, are simple. The work was published, but, having found a way to extract pecuniary reward simply for "putting it out there" for people to use, the authors have decided to remove the material from public view, having chosen, instead to make it available on a paid basis rather than at no charge. Since it was published, it's now in the public domain. The authors of the SD spec' for example, have not published their later work in the same way, but, rather, demand payment and NDA for access to it.

Here's a link to a recent microSD spec ... it's apparently welcome, as it's found a number of new homes.

http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheet...D_Spec.pdf

I have recently acquired a full-sized SD adapter to these and they work exactly like the full size cards once in the adapter. Since they cost very little, around $5US for a 2GB card, I think they're as good as the original.

Here's another fairly complete one that's only recently popped up in my searches.

http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachmen...08G7B7.pdf

and here's another ... note the clock frequency is 50 MHz now ...

http://www.tecsys.de/fileadmin...c_v1.5.pdf

One thing you might find interesting is that this one refers to what appears to be an internal 8051 with "enhanced features" and also to a transfer rate of 30 Mbytes/second, albeit only for read. This spec is for an SD Card controller ...

http://www.tairom.com/exe/Secur...20Card.pdf

I can't find the couple I've seen that were incomplete but referred to a 100 MHz clock, which would lead to a theoretical 50 MBps. I've even seen what was probably more from marketing than from engineering, referring to a 480 Mbps upper limit on transfers ... apparently referring to Firewire and USB2 compatibility. I should have saved 'em ... but I figured they were marketing stuff ...

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I've asked this before ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is this specifically 8051?            01/01/70 00:00      
      specifically with 805x and NO SD-specific hardware on-chip            01/01/70 00:00      
         There often are huge speed differences            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yep I have            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'd be interested in that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ill send you a schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
            What do points mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, I haven't seen it ... yet            01/01/70 00:00      
               Oh dear; I hope this wasn't Jez, then...            01/01/70 00:00      
   How fast?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm using an old, but relatively complete, spec            01/01/70 00:00      
         "external" hardware            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, that would be nice ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         50MBps            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's what the capital B means ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               You assume too much            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's like that other nomenclature issue I keep mentioning            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
               25MHz * 4bit = 12.5MB/s            01/01/70 00:00      
                  correct            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Now I'm confused ... as you can see ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     someplace to put spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's a two-edged sword            01/01/70 00:00      
                           True, but..            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Published spec's are in the public domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No, that's not true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    It depends on how the IP is used, doesn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No, it doesn't.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not public domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Quite so!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                They have the "right" but not the cause            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Letter of the law            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Let me ask you something ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I didn't say that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   They have the right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      When was the last time you saw a written copyright?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         See previous examples!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Whose interests are "protected"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Information owners            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Life isn't fair            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               What the thread is about? SD Card or CopyRights!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  There's a reason for that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Lots of interests in SD, but danger involved in sharing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         last time I saw a written copyright ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            No need for long legalese            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               True, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            That's the boilerplate to which I referred            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               the band won            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Ooops!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I forgot sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
      That was what ... 6 weeks ago?            01/01/70 00:00      
   SD/SDIO host controller chips            01/01/70 00:00      

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