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10/02/09 20:04
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#169370 - Now I'm confused ... as you can see ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
It seems you're right, Per ... Not that that's any surprise. Two nybbles = 1 Byte in 80 ns, which is 12.5 MHz. I guess I'm unconsciously trying to impose some truth on the various marketing claims. I guess I should apologize to Maarten for reacting as I did.

I'm clearly confused ... since I see varying claims from equipment manufacturers who use these devices, and from SD card, particularly micro-SD card makers, who claim such rates in terms of some unspecified "classic" rate, and define their parts as 20x, 40x, 80x, etc.

The spec talks about clocks up to 25 MHz, yet other documents, possibly from marketing rather than engineering, refer to aggregate transfer rates up to 400 Mbps. I haven't bought the official specification because there are many costly revisions per hour, it seems, and certainly many of them per year. The manufacturers of some equipment claim burst rates at the same rate as USB2/FireWire claims, i.e. up to 480 Mbps.

Mysteries such as these confuse more than just me, however, and the "specsmanship" in the marketing departments doesn't help at all.

If you want a look at the confusion, just GOOGLE for "SD Card" "Transfer Rate" and see what you get.

Now I knew this, having pointed it out to a colleague in email just yesterday, yet I'm sufficiently mixed up about the spec's to make this sort of a blunder ... and I'm supposed to be a mathematician ...

BTW, they are purported to be capable of 25 MHz in SPI mode, too, so I'm looking into that as well. It would be much easier to get there with SPI.

I'd really like it if we had someplace to put spec's such as the ones relevant to devices like this. The old one I'm using is ~1.15 MByte in size, so I can't post it on 8052.COM ... perhaps someone, somewhere has a more up-to-date spec ... I might even find a place to put something like that, so people can access it. I'm paying for 70GB of "personal web space" at my current ISP, and have, at last check, ~20 TB available at the one I previously used ... until they find out I still have that much ...

I'd happily make one of those seven 10GB "personal" spaces on Comcast available for manufacturers' spec's, etc. I don't know how long that would last. I'd want to be the only one to place items in that space, however, else it would be swallowed up with advertising within minutes. Maybe we should look into that.

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I've asked this before ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is this specifically 8051?            01/01/70 00:00      
      specifically with 805x and NO SD-specific hardware on-chip            01/01/70 00:00      
         There often are huge speed differences            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yep I have            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'd be interested in that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ill send you a schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
            What do points mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, I haven't seen it ... yet            01/01/70 00:00      
               Oh dear; I hope this wasn't Jez, then...            01/01/70 00:00      
   How fast?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm using an old, but relatively complete, spec            01/01/70 00:00      
         "external" hardware            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, that would be nice ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         50MBps            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's what the capital B means ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               You assume too much            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's like that other nomenclature issue I keep mentioning            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
               25MHz * 4bit = 12.5MB/s            01/01/70 00:00      
                  correct            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Now I'm confused ... as you can see ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     someplace to put spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's a two-edged sword            01/01/70 00:00      
                           True, but..            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Published spec's are in the public domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No, that's not true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    It depends on how the IP is used, doesn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No, it doesn't.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not public domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Quite so!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                They have the "right" but not the cause            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Letter of the law            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Let me ask you something ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I didn't say that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   They have the right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      When was the last time you saw a written copyright?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         See previous examples!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Whose interests are "protected"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Information owners            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Life isn't fair            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               What the thread is about? SD Card or CopyRights!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  There's a reason for that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Lots of interests in SD, but danger involved in sharing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         last time I saw a written copyright ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            No need for long legalese            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               True, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            That's the boilerplate to which I referred            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               the band won            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Ooops!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I forgot sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
      That was what ... 6 weeks ago?            01/01/70 00:00      
   SD/SDIO host controller chips            01/01/70 00:00      

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