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09/27/09 00:23
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#169179 - specifically with 805x and NO SD-specific hardware on-chip
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Andy Neil said:
I'm aware of some non-8051 implementations, using specific on-chip SDIO hardware: They are for use with FAT file system implementations, but the SD "driver" part is pretty well de-coupled from the FAT stuff.

ie, as far as the SD code is concerned, that fact that it's being used by a FAT implementation is irrelevant.

Not always. The focus on FAT, or whatever file system, often interferes with clean, clear, and efficient implementation of the SD protocol. Unfortunately, few implementations are cleanly layered, as they should be.

If that's of any use to you, I can look-out the specific details...

I'm more concerned with whether it's actually been done without a file system than with the low-level details. I've had at least a dozen people tell me that it's just too fast a protocol, too involved, to be done on 805x's, as they're too slow, yet the big 32-bitters aren't really any faster, since they most often don't have 4-bit-data-handling instructions, and therefore have to waste a lot of time processing the bytes and nybbles. There are some low-level details that interest me, of course.

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I've asked this before ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is this specifically 8051?            01/01/70 00:00      
      specifically with 805x and NO SD-specific hardware on-chip            01/01/70 00:00      
         There often are huge speed differences            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yep I have            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'd be interested in that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Ill send you a schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
            What do points mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well, I haven't seen it ... yet            01/01/70 00:00      
               Oh dear; I hope this wasn't Jez, then...            01/01/70 00:00      
   How fast?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm using an old, but relatively complete, spec            01/01/70 00:00      
         "external" hardware            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, that would be nice ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         50MBps            01/01/70 00:00      
            That's what the capital B means ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               You assume too much            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It's like that other nomenclature issue I keep mentioning            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sad, but true            01/01/70 00:00      
               25MHz * 4bit = 12.5MB/s            01/01/70 00:00      
                  correct            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Now I'm confused ... as you can see ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     someplace to put spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It's a two-edged sword            01/01/70 00:00      
                           True, but..            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Published spec's are in the public domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 No, that's not true            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    It depends on how the IP is used, doesn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No, it doesn't.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Not public domain            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Quite so!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                They have the "right" but not the cause            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Letter of the law            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Let me ask you something ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I didn't say that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   They have the right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      When was the last time you saw a written copyright?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         See previous examples!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Whose interests are "protected"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Information owners            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Life isn't fair            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               What the thread is about? SD Card or CopyRights!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  There's a reason for that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Lots of interests in SD, but danger involved in sharing            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         last time I saw a written copyright ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            No need for long legalese            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               True, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            That's the boilerplate to which I referred            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               the band won            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Ooops!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I forgot sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
      That was what ... 6 weeks ago?            01/01/70 00:00      
   SD/SDIO host controller chips            01/01/70 00:00      

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