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07/28/09 20:53
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#167982 - Never underestimate a home-drilled programmer/debugger
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Erik said:
A very experienced, highly qualified person with the proper tools may be able to make a workbench unit that works.

A kitchen table is not a good place to debug software. On one hand, it is too disturbing to have to pack everythig away several times a day. On the other hand, the average programmer/debugger has enough of a weight problem without spending his/her time too close to the fridge.

I definitely recommend a good workbench or dedicated room.

Erik said:
My 'objection' is towards the issue that a kitchen table progremmer (for which you need, at least, a scope to verify timings etc) often is the first thing tackled by a rank amateur.

A DIY debugger should not try a scope or other timing equipment for controlling the pace of the work. It's best to give it the time it takes - after all, quite a number of problems takes longer to solve than what can be captured by the slowest time base on the scope. And once more - stay away from the kitchen.

Erik said:
Another source of my 'objection' is that ever so many 'working' 'designs' floating around on the web only works if you have the same PC, the same Windows version, the same ... as the poster

No, I think you are bit wrong on flexibility. I feel a home-made debugger is normally accepting most PC equipment that happens to be available. It's the commercial debuggers that expects everything around him/her to be commercial grade. Well, in some parts you may be right. The best home-made debuggers tends to get quite choosey about their equipment, just because they know they can afford it.

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   Acqura            01/01/70 00:00      
      Acqura/Philips/NXP App Note            01/01/70 00:00      
   Metaice?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Phyton            01/01/70 00:00      
         P89V51Rx2 emulator            01/01/70 00:00      
            Meta $            01/01/70 00:00      
               what do you expect?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Phyton Origin            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Cost money to move to a different architecture too            01/01/70 00:00      
                     there's no ICE for AVRs            01/01/70 00:00      
                        An ICE isn't always needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Yon know what I mean            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Not just boundary scan            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sure not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Real debugger...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Buy - or Hire? or Make?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Watch out for Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Kitchen table            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not necessarily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Never underestimate a home-drilled programmer/debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
                        JATG ICE from ATMEL for AVR            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Phyton            01/01/70 00:00      
                           yes, sure. Thanks.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SiLabs w/out analog            01/01/70 00:00      
                        My idea of ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                           re: ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                              S I Labs ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                           learning curve            01/01/70 00:00      
                              learning curve            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Luminary            01/01/70 00:00      
                           my idea of what an ICE needs to do            01/01/70 00:00      
   Crazy new (?) ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
      nice            01/01/70 00:00      
      any 'ICE' that uses pins/UART/... is not an ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
         any 'ICE' that uses pins/UART... is not an ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
   The low cost one            01/01/70 00:00      
      English link            01/01/70 00:00      
         looks promising            01/01/70 00:00      

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