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04/04/09 14:17
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#164322 - You are still focusing on a single track
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Ap said:
What about here , and between me and him. But you will not try to see that its for sure.

Haven't you thought about the fact that the toy manufacturer probably did use that solution because they considered it the best for them? You still assume your view correct and any other view wrong...

Do you expect me to do a comparative analysis of all your posts?

How about this:
Andy, about the 433MHz modules:
One of the ways they cut the cost is that you get next to no documentation, and no support.

The cost of the RF is, surely, going to be neglible compared to the overall cost of this monster?!

These are very crude modules - so you're (probably) going to have to implement your own scheme to cope with interference, etc.

As ever, the choice is whether to save cash at the expense of your time & effort, or to save your time & effort at the expense of cash.

That obviously shows that he do not say that the 433MHz solution is the best. It's just that the 433MHz not being best does not automatically make the Nordic Devices solution become the best either. Just one of several alternatives. By the way, the Nordic part number should not be nRF24L01 but nRF24L01+. The older version is not recommended for new designs, according to Nordic.

If you have used the Nordic solution, you can post that. And you can tell your experiences about out. But don't go forward and translate these experiences into the fact "best" that must be true for any other user. If high bandwidth is needed, then city centers can have problems with 2.4GHz. Maybe a solution with a lower frequency would be preferable to get a longer range. Or possibly a WLAN solution around 5MHz because of lower interference from the overpopulation of 2.4GHz in some regions.

Since a display the size mentioned is very expensive, the "best" solution may possibly be an industrial PC with whatever WLAN interface that works best for every specific installation. Possibly WiMax? Or the signs may be located in situations where they will not be in range for any short-range wireless solutions, instead requiring more traditional solutions based on GPRS, 3G or similar. If the sign isn't showing graphics, it may even be enough to settle for SMS or MMS to transfer the data... The OP may have started this thread based on an assumption. That assumption may possibly be wrong. Being bombarded with alternatives, he might find that he either isn't interested to go ahead with the project, or that completely different solutions may be more advantageous to use. We can't know - only suggest. But one think we can know is that "best" is not an absolute fact.

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Is there an IC for RF tranceiver?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I am sure there is - but            01/01/70 00:00      
      Its no trouble, he can just get one made for him            01/01/70 00:00      
         :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   sample circuits with 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
      Modules are expensive            01/01/70 00:00      
         Some modules are not so expensive            01/01/70 00:00      
   Have a look at these ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      There are available modules here            01/01/70 00:00      
          1/3 of the price of the device , how many you require?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why being afraid? You have the people...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Economies of scale            01/01/70 00:00      
         The first one will cost about half a million $US            01/01/70 00:00      
            Those Taiwanese 433 MHz modules            01/01/70 00:00      
               support            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How do you test it?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Do they offer sample            01/01/70 00:00      
      There are similar rf modules here            01/01/70 00:00      
         RF is never that simple!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Nordic Transceiver was far better            01/01/70 00:00      
            It's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
               I think it actually lies in the holder            01/01/70 00:00      
                  No such thing as "better"            01/01/70 00:00      
                     O really            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Why always pick fights?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Who piks it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Impatient            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Better is also not a Toy solution            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You are still focusing on a single track            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No single track            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          OP's requirements not always identical to yours            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             No requirements were suggested to him            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Richard is correct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I feel your English is direct translation of your            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      My words are that we do not know            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         My words ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Still a bit quick            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Quick ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  upload and upload            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Is this the one Per            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Richard is correct            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      how does it feel            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         how does it feel .... great            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            in the eye of the beholder            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               beholders eye            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            hi-tech solutions?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               let me break my fast this time            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  Comparative analysis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Cost            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        Straining at gnats            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     It looks fiction            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        dismissive            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Dont call it dismiss but preference            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              knowing what the OP is trying to do            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Just give it a look (Modified)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    No club            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    nRF24L01            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       one point missed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          That's a different chip?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Some people jump into the middle of threads            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    what does 'big' mean            01/01/70 00:00      
                        let's not waste our time            01/01/70 00:00      
                        We appear to be stuck at that language barrier again            01/01/70 00:00      
                     best ----            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Engineering is always about compromise            01/01/70 00:00      
   nRF24L01 with SPI only            01/01/70 00:00      
      and so are the old ones            01/01/70 00:00      
      what is spi?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why not ask the vendor?            01/01/70 00:00      
         what is spi? here            01/01/70 00:00      
            futile            01/01/70 00:00      
               I am planning to use it to control led matrix display            01/01/70 00:00      
                  ... and 100 uA is enough to drive them?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     2kV            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Please be more particular regarding RF link needs            01/01/70 00:00      
                  And you're worrying about a few $ for the RF module?!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Doesn't this whole tale smell like fiction?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Library decision: SF or Fantasy?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Delusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                              i am starting 0 knowledge again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Now that is believable!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  a VERY ambitious newbie            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The electricity bills will be cheaper            01/01/70 00:00      
                        :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   TDA5200            01/01/70 00:00      
   Xbee might be the answer            01/01/70 00:00      
      but what is the question?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Cross-references            01/01/70 00:00      

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