Email: Password: Remember Me | Create Account (Free)

Back to Subject List

Old thread has been locked -- no new posts accepted in this thread
???
02/16/08 16:11
Read: times


 
#150935 - perhaps I do
Responding to: ???'s previous message
A number of valid arguments have surfaced so far. First of all, there's the matter of IP rights and their ownership.

If I could profit by a billion (1E9) Euros tomorrow, by stealing your code, yes, I'd give it some thought, despite the fact I realize it's both immoral and illegal. If it were easy to do, well, that would become part of the equation. If I had lots of resources available, idle workers in my factory, and decided to counterfeit your product, there's probably little you could do about it until the product arrived in the marketplace. Then, of course, YOU would be saddled with the not-too-easy task of proving that I'd copied your product in a way that renders it illegal to do so. In the EU, if it looked like a copy and worked like a copy, I'd be in big trouble. In the U.S. ... well, perhaps not so much. If I were in Asia, it wouldn't get a second look.

If the device in question were a replacement part that couldn't be obtained any longer, for any of a number of reasons, a wholly different set of circumstances arises. Is there someone who can sue me if I make a copy? Even if so, would they do it? Is there legal basis?

And then, what about Jeff Post's situation, where he simply wants to understand how my product works, with no intention of replicating the invention, or appropriating the IP contained in my product for any purpose other than his own enlightenment?

The real question is, "How much suffering must I endure in order to protect my IP sufficiently?" Many products are available in BGA or other chip-scale packages that make it really difficult to discern the interconnections on a PCB without destroying the product, at least to the point at which it has to be repaired (reballed) at considerable cost.

If I can increase the potential suffering of the likely counterfeiter to the point where he really has to think whether he'd rather design his own work-alike product, I guess I've done my job.

The question this thread was addressing was not really whether it's illegal or immoral to "crack" a protected device, but, rather, whether methods of doing so should be discussed in this open forum.

I would vote NO! My reason is that the majority of people who search this forum are looking for a shortcut. I don't think it is in the interest of the majority of contributors to provide a shortcut to cloning any protected MCU. After all, most of us are engaged in producing new IP. None of us will benefit from making it easier for anyone to access IP to which we'd not give him sources and documentation outright.

RE




List of 71 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Security-breaking threads            01/01/70 00:00      
   Mostly bad            01/01/70 00:00      
      put that in the rulse and ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Reverse Engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why would this be the case?            01/01/70 00:00      
         legal, maybe, but worthless            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reverse Engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
         locked doors            01/01/70 00:00      
            a couple of points ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Thief?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ironically the Chinese Wall            01/01/70 00:00      
                  IANAL, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Are you sure?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  the law can be interpreted in many ways            01/01/70 00:00      
               by the time you'll decide...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  the short happy life of ... Jan Waclawek?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     you apparently don't understand my point, Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It should be how to Protect Your MCU rather then h            01/01/70 00:00      
                        perhaps I do            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Fair use, security, and all that            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It's simpler than that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What harm?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    If you really want to do that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       A greater harm            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Have you gone one assumption too far?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Republicans, believe .... AIDS            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                mingling the issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Which link ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      find it yourself            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         You find it and Its IAR policy not yours            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            no, it is not, I'm sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               what an IAR in code ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  not witrh a Keil eval            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     Thats company policy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I sure can make this decision that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           Is leasing Compiler legal ? . I will never do that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              I don't quite understand this..            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 That's why it requires no treatment here            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Would you?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Slap in the face!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Recovering lost code            01/01/70 00:00      
   Don't help pirates but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
   it sure is immoral to steal code            01/01/70 00:00      
      The morality of repairs.            01/01/70 00:00      
   I've done it legally and ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Faulty logic            01/01/70 00:00      
         evidently you missed my exception            01/01/70 00:00      
            False statements            01/01/70 00:00      
               GPL as 'protection' LOL            01/01/70 00:00      
      Security through obscurity            01/01/70 00:00      
         other possibilities            01/01/70 00:00      
            Malund you come to conclusion very early !            01/01/70 00:00      
               Are you sure?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  OK, so let's circumvent this problem...            01/01/70 00:00      
               then why have you done so?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Did that link open your eyes            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I do not care, my code is worthless in hex            01/01/70 00:00      
         This one is on you, Craig ... the buck stops there            01/01/70 00:00      
            Competence.            01/01/70 00:00      
               I know of many 'unteachable'            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's what put options are for ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Let's not promote fakery in the profession            01/01/70 00:00      
   Answer to the original question            01/01/70 00:00      

Back to Subject List